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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:51:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,


Sure I'll read it.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bell" <John_Bell-AT-emerson.edu>
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>; <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not genetic 
theory- Puppets


>I haven't had time to follow this conversation, but since it seems to have 
>once again followed links between puppet theater and the central political 
>and social questions of our time, I thought I would mention that I wrote an 
>essay about Islam and performance (especially puppet theater) for the most 
>recent issue of TDR, the journal of performance: "Islamic Performance and 
>the Problem of Drama," TDR: The Drama Review - Volume 49, Number 4 (T 188), 
>Winter 2005, pp. 5-10.  If anyone wants to read it, I'd be happy to email 
>it to them...
>
> john bell
> great small works
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Daniel McGuire
> Sent: Sun 2/26/2006 10:51 AM
> To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not 
> genetic theory- Puppets
>
>
>
> Mary,
>
> Of course politics and puppetry are relevant to this list. But ad
> hominim attacks on "Moslems", with Arafat's corruption used as exhibit
> "A", are not relevant - or at least I couldn't follow Robert's train of
> thought. Robert's blanket statement, that Moslems "tolerate terrorists
> who blow up innocent people" is as accurate as the statement
> "Christians tolerate terrorists who blow up medical clinics and murder
> doctors who perform abortions".  (after all, I didn't see the
> evangelicals take to the street and protest those acts of terrorism).
> Timothy McVeigh considered himself to be an evangelical, born-again
> Christian reconstructionist. I never heard a peep from the evangelical
> movement denouncing McVeigh's brand of Christianity. Does that mean
> Christians " tolerate terrorists
> who blow up innocent people." ? Only if I followed Robert's contorted
> freeper logic could I arrive at that conclusion.
>
> The furor over the Danish cartoons has become a rallying point for
> Moslems who have a very long list of grievances, Robert. Among those
> grievances are dictatorial theocratic, and corrupt regimes throughout
> the middle east that are supported by the United States, invading
> oil-rich Moslem countries on the basis of false intelligence, massacres
> of Moslems in Hebron and Bosnia and many other places, by Christians;
> torture and murder of Moslems in places like Guantanamo, etc... need I
> go on?
>
> The current furor in America over ownership of ports by a Moslem
> country is a similar tempest in a teapot - it does not really represent
> a threat to American security, except that it becomes a rallying point
> for cynical politicians, as well as people with genuine concerns about
> issues such as foreign ownership of strategic assets, national
> security, outsourcing of American jobs, Corruption and cronyism in the
> Bush administration, etc...
>
> Getting back to the original issue, Paul Zaloom did a wonderful piece
> called "My Civilization" in which he expounds on Evolution in his own
> inimitable style. Puppeteers interested in confronting the creationists
> might want to take a look. I'll try to put it up on "youtube".
>
> Cheers,
> DMCG
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Mary Horsley wrote:
>
> > Oh, but Daniel, it is relevant to puppetry as we have discussed before.
> > Even one of those funny cartoons that Steve sent was a political one
> > with
> > Syria as the puppeteer of a marionette on fire. Puppetry is used in
> > politics so naturally puppeteers have real opinions on the subject.
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
> > -Walter Bagehot
> >
> > "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in
> > the
> > choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
> > ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we
> > make
> > are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt
> >
> > "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are
> > dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
> > day. Do
> > it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many
> > tomorrows.
> >
> > -Michael Landon
> >
> > www.gentleteaching.com
> >
> > We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
> >
> > --Oprah Winfrey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com>
> >> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> >> Date: 2/26/2006 8:48:21 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
> > genetic theory- Puppets
> >>
> >>> But explain to me how
> >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> >>
> >> Explain to me how this is relevant to the question of the Danish
> >> cartoons? And then explain how the Danish cartoons are relevant to the
> >> discussion of puppetry?
> >>
> >> Then I'll explain why the number of people in poverty in America has
> >> risen every year since Clinton left office, while the price of
> >> Halliburton stock has gone through the roof.
> >>
> >> I'll explain it to you off-list, since it isn't relevant to puppetry.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> DMCG
> >>
> >> On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Robert Rogers wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Roger, A wise man closes his mouth and keeps his audience guessing,
> >>>> a
> >>>> fool
> >>>> opens it and leaves no doubt.
> >>>
> >>> First of all, my name is Robert.  Secondly, your calling me a fool is
> >>> unwarranted.
> >>>
> >>>> Maybe you need to actually explore the FACTS first before sharing
> >>>> your
> >>>> misinformed opinions beyond the cocoon of ignorance in the US of A.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I have explored the facts.  You don't know who I am or what I
> >>> know.
> >>> Frankly, I'd rather exchange views on puppetry.  But explain to me
> >>> how
> >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> >>>
> >>> Robert Rogers
> >>>
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