From: "Mark S. Segal" <segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:51:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis, Sure I'll read it. segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bell" <John_Bell-AT-emerson.edu> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>; <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not genetic theory- Puppets >I haven't had time to follow this conversation, but since it seems to have >once again followed links between puppet theater and the central political >and social questions of our time, I thought I would mention that I wrote an >essay about Islam and performance (especially puppet theater) for the most >recent issue of TDR, the journal of performance: "Islamic Performance and >the Problem of Drama," TDR: The Drama Review - Volume 49, Number 4 (T 188), >Winter 2005, pp. 5-10. If anyone wants to read it, I'd be happy to email >it to them... > > john bell > great small works > > > -----Original Message----- > From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Daniel McGuire > Sent: Sun 2/26/2006 10:51 AM > To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not > genetic theory- Puppets > > > > Mary, > > Of course politics and puppetry are relevant to this list. But ad > hominim attacks on "Moslems", with Arafat's corruption used as exhibit > "A", are not relevant - or at least I couldn't follow Robert's train of > thought. Robert's blanket statement, that Moslems "tolerate terrorists > who blow up innocent people" is as accurate as the statement > "Christians tolerate terrorists who blow up medical clinics and murder > doctors who perform abortions". (after all, I didn't see the > evangelicals take to the street and protest those acts of terrorism). > Timothy McVeigh considered himself to be an evangelical, born-again > Christian reconstructionist. I never heard a peep from the evangelical > movement denouncing McVeigh's brand of Christianity. Does that mean > Christians " tolerate terrorists > who blow up innocent people." ? Only if I followed Robert's contorted > freeper logic could I arrive at that conclusion. > > The furor over the Danish cartoons has become a rallying point for > Moslems who have a very long list of grievances, Robert. Among those > grievances are dictatorial theocratic, and corrupt regimes throughout > the middle east that are supported by the United States, invading > oil-rich Moslem countries on the basis of false intelligence, massacres > of Moslems in Hebron and Bosnia and many other places, by Christians; > torture and murder of Moslems in places like Guantanamo, etc... need I > go on? > > The current furor in America over ownership of ports by a Moslem > country is a similar tempest in a teapot - it does not really represent > a threat to American security, except that it becomes a rallying point > for cynical politicians, as well as people with genuine concerns about > issues such as foreign ownership of strategic assets, national > security, outsourcing of American jobs, Corruption and cronyism in the > Bush administration, etc... > > Getting back to the original issue, Paul Zaloom did a wonderful piece > called "My Civilization" in which he expounds on Evolution in his own > inimitable style. Puppeteers interested in confronting the creationists > might want to take a look. I'll try to put it up on "youtube". > > Cheers, > DMCG > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Mary Horsley wrote: > > > Oh, but Daniel, it is relevant to puppetry as we have discussed before. > > Even one of those funny cartoons that Steve sent was a political one > > with > > Syria as the puppeteer of a marionette on fire. Puppetry is used in > > politics so naturally puppeteers have real opinions on the subject. > > > > Mary > > > > "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." > > -Walter Bagehot > > > > "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in > > the > > choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape > > ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we > > make > > are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt > > > > "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are > > dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every > > day. Do > > it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many > > tomorrows. > > > > -Michael Landon > > > > www.gentleteaching.com > > > > We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are. > > > > --Oprah Winfrey > > > > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com> > >> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> > >> Date: 2/26/2006 8:48:21 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not > > genetic theory- Puppets > >> > >>> But explain to me how > >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer? > >> > >> Explain to me how this is relevant to the question of the Danish > >> cartoons? And then explain how the Danish cartoons are relevant to the > >> discussion of puppetry? > >> > >> Then I'll explain why the number of people in poverty in America has > >> risen every year since Clinton left office, while the price of > >> Halliburton stock has gone through the roof. > >> > >> I'll explain it to you off-list, since it isn't relevant to puppetry. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> DMCG > >> > >> On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Robert Rogers wrote: > >> > >>>> Roger, A wise man closes his mouth and keeps his audience guessing, > >>>> a > >>>> fool > >>>> opens it and leaves no doubt. > >>> > >>> First of all, my name is Robert. Secondly, your calling me a fool is > >>> unwarranted. > >>> > >>>> Maybe you need to actually explore the FACTS first before sharing > >>>> your > >>>> misinformed opinions beyond the cocoon of ignorance in the US of A. > >>> > >>> Maybe I have explored the facts. You don't know who I am or what I > >>> know. > >>> Frankly, I'd rather exchange views on puppetry. But explain to me > >>> how > >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer? > >>> > >>> Robert Rogers > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > >>> Admin interface: > >>> http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > >>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > >> Admin interface: > > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > >> Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > > Admin interface: > > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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