From: mjm <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:47:36 -0600
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,


I'd be very interested in reading your article.
Email is mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com.
I'd also be interested in anyone with any first hand experience, as an 
audience member or a performer, regarding recent (last several years) 
Islamic based puppetry in the Mideast and/or America.
mjm

On Feb 26, 2006, at 1:41 PM, John Bell wrote:

> I haven't had time to follow this conversation, but since it seems to 
> have once again followed links between puppet theater and the central 
> political and social questions of our time, I thought I would mention 
> that I wrote an essay about Islam and performance (especially puppet 
> theater) for the most recent issue of TDR, the journal of performance: 
> "Islamic Performance and the Problem of Drama," TDR: The Drama Review 
> - Volume 49, Number 4 (T 188), Winter 2005, pp. 5-10.  If anyone wants 
> to read it, I'd be happy to email it to them...
>
> john bell
> great small works
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Daniel McGuire
> 	Sent: Sun 2/26/2006 10:51 AM
> 	To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not 
> genetic theory- Puppets
> 	
> 	
>
> 	Mary,
> 	
> 	Of course politics and puppetry are relevant to this list. But ad
> 	hominim attacks on "Moslems", with Arafat's corruption used as exhibit
> 	"A", are not relevant - or at least I couldn't follow Robert's train 
> of
> 	thought. Robert's blanket statement, that Moslems "tolerate terrorists
> 	who blow up innocent people" is as accurate as the statement
> 	"Christians tolerate terrorists who blow up medical clinics and murder
> 	doctors who perform abortions".  (after all, I didn't see the
> 	evangelicals take to the street and protest those acts of terrorism).
> 	Timothy McVeigh considered himself to be an evangelical, born-again
> 	Christian reconstructionist. I never heard a peep from the evangelical
> 	movement denouncing McVeigh's brand of Christianity. Does that mean
> 	Christians " tolerate terrorists
> 	who blow up innocent people." ? Only if I followed Robert's contorted
> 	freeper logic could I arrive at that conclusion.
> 	
> 	The furor over the Danish cartoons has become a rallying point for
> 	Moslems who have a very long list of grievances, Robert. Among those
> 	grievances are dictatorial theocratic, and corrupt regimes throughout
> 	the middle east that are supported by the United States, invading
> 	oil-rich Moslem countries on the basis of false intelligence, 
> massacres
> 	of Moslems in Hebron and Bosnia and many other places, by Christians;
> 	torture and murder of Moslems in places like Guantanamo, etc... need I
> 	go on?
> 	
> 	The current furor in America over ownership of ports by a Moslem
> 	country is a similar tempest in a teapot - it does not really 
> represent
> 	a threat to American security, except that it becomes a rallying point
> 	for cynical politicians, as well as people with genuine concerns about
> 	issues such as foreign ownership of strategic assets, national
> 	security, outsourcing of American jobs, Corruption and cronyism in the
> 	Bush administration, etc...
> 	
> 	Getting back to the original issue, Paul Zaloom did a wonderful piece
> 	called "My Civilization" in which he expounds on Evolution in his own
> 	inimitable style. Puppeteers interested in confronting the 
> creationists
> 	might want to take a look. I'll try to put it up on "youtube".
> 	
> 	Cheers,
> 	DMCG
> 	
> 	
> 	On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Mary Horsley wrote:
> 	
> 	> Oh, but Daniel, it is relevant to puppetry as we have discussed 
> before.
> 	> Even one of those funny cartoons that Steve sent was a political one
> 	> with
> 	> Syria as the puppeteer of a marionette on fire. Puppetry is used in
> 	> politics so naturally puppeteers have real opinions on the subject.
> 	>
> 	> Mary
> 	>
> 	> "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
> 	> -Walter Bagehot
> 	>
> 	> "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in
> 	> the
> 	> choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
> 	> ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we
> 	> make
> 	> are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt
> 	>
> 	> "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we 
> are
> 	> dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
> 	> day. Do
> 	> it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so 
> many
> 	> tomorrows.
> 	>
> 	> -Michael Landon
> 	>
> 	> www.gentleteaching.com
> 	>
> 	> We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
> 	>
> 	> --Oprah Winfrey
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>> [Original Message]
> 	>> From: Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com>
> 	>> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> 	>> Date: 2/26/2006 8:48:21 AM
> 	>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
> 	> genetic theory- Puppets
> 	>>
> 	>>> But explain to me how
> 	>>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> 	>>
> 	>> Explain to me how this is relevant to the question of the Danish
> 	>> cartoons? And then explain how the Danish cartoons are relevant to 
> the
> 	>> discussion of puppetry?
> 	>>
> 	>> Then I'll explain why the number of people in poverty in America 
> has
> 	>> risen every year since Clinton left office, while the price of
> 	>> Halliburton stock has gone through the roof.
> 	>>
> 	>> I'll explain it to you off-list, since it isn't relevant to 
> puppetry.
> 	>>
> 	>> Cheers,
> 	>> DMCG
> 	>>
> 	>> On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Robert Rogers wrote:
> 	>>
> 	>>>> Roger, A wise man closes his mouth and keeps his audience 
> guessing,
> 	>>>> a
> 	>>>> fool
> 	>>>> opens it and leaves no doubt.
> 	>>>
> 	>>> First of all, my name is Robert.  Secondly, your calling me a 
> fool is
> 	>>> unwarranted.
> 	>>>
> 	>>>> Maybe you need to actually explore the FACTS first before sharing
> 	>>>> your
> 	>>>> misinformed opinions beyond the cocoon of ignorance in the US of 
> A.
> 	>>>
> 	>>> Maybe I have explored the facts.  You don't know who I am or what 
> I
> 	>>> know.
> 	>>> Frankly, I'd rather exchange views on puppetry.  But explain to me
> 	>>> how
> 	>>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> 	>>>
> 	>>> Robert Rogers
> 	>>>
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