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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:07:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,


John, I would love to read it as well.
mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net

Mary

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
-Walter Bagehot

"One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in the
choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we make
are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt

"Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are
dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do
it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many
tomorrows.

-Michael Landon

www.gentleteaching.com

We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
 
--Oprah Winfrey
 




> [Original Message]
> From: Mark S. Segal <segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> Date: 2/26/2006 2:48:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
genetic theory- Puppets
>
> Sure I'll read it.
> segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Bell" <John_Bell-AT-emerson.edu>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>; <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
genetic 
> theory- Puppets
>
>
> >I haven't had time to follow this conversation, but since it seems to
have 
> >once again followed links between puppet theater and the central
political 
> >and social questions of our time, I thought I would mention that I wrote
an 
> >essay about Islam and performance (especially puppet theater) for the
most 
> >recent issue of TDR, the journal of performance: "Islamic Performance
and 
> >the Problem of Drama," TDR: The Drama Review - Volume 49, Number 4 (T
188), 
> >Winter 2005, pp. 5-10.  If anyone wants to read it, I'd be happy to
email 
> >it to them...
> >
> > john bell
> > great small works
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Daniel McGuire
> > Sent: Sun 2/26/2006 10:51 AM
> > To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not 
> > genetic theory- Puppets
> >
> >
> >
> > Mary,
> >
> > Of course politics and puppetry are relevant to this list. But ad
> > hominim attacks on "Moslems", with Arafat's corruption used as exhibit
> > "A", are not relevant - or at least I couldn't follow Robert's train of
> > thought. Robert's blanket statement, that Moslems "tolerate terrorists
> > who blow up innocent people" is as accurate as the statement
> > "Christians tolerate terrorists who blow up medical clinics and murder
> > doctors who perform abortions".  (after all, I didn't see the
> > evangelicals take to the street and protest those acts of terrorism).
> > Timothy McVeigh considered himself to be an evangelical, born-again
> > Christian reconstructionist. I never heard a peep from the evangelical
> > movement denouncing McVeigh's brand of Christianity. Does that mean
> > Christians " tolerate terrorists
> > who blow up innocent people." ? Only if I followed Robert's contorted
> > freeper logic could I arrive at that conclusion.
> >
> > The furor over the Danish cartoons has become a rallying point for
> > Moslems who have a very long list of grievances, Robert. Among those
> > grievances are dictatorial theocratic, and corrupt regimes throughout
> > the middle east that are supported by the United States, invading
> > oil-rich Moslem countries on the basis of false intelligence, massacres
> > of Moslems in Hebron and Bosnia and many other places, by Christians;
> > torture and murder of Moslems in places like Guantanamo, etc... need I
> > go on?
> >
> > The current furor in America over ownership of ports by a Moslem
> > country is a similar tempest in a teapot - it does not really represent
> > a threat to American security, except that it becomes a rallying point
> > for cynical politicians, as well as people with genuine concerns about
> > issues such as foreign ownership of strategic assets, national
> > security, outsourcing of American jobs, Corruption and cronyism in the
> > Bush administration, etc...
> >
> > Getting back to the original issue, Paul Zaloom did a wonderful piece
> > called "My Civilization" in which he expounds on Evolution in his own
> > inimitable style. Puppeteers interested in confronting the creationists
> > might want to take a look. I'll try to put it up on "youtube".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > DMCG
> >
> >
> > On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Mary Horsley wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, but Daniel, it is relevant to puppetry as we have discussed
before.
> > > Even one of those funny cartoons that Steve sent was a political one
> > > with
> > > Syria as the puppeteer of a marionette on fire. Puppetry is used in
> > > politics so naturally puppeteers have real opinions on the subject.
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > > "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
> > > -Walter Bagehot
> > >
> > > "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in
> > > the
> > > choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
> > > ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we
> > > make
> > > are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt
> > >
> > > "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are
> > > dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
> > > day. Do
> > > it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many
> > > tomorrows.
> > >
> > > -Michael Landon
> > >
> > > www.gentleteaching.com
> > >
> > > We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
> > >
> > > --Oprah Winfrey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> [Original Message]
> > >> From: Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com>
> > >> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> > >> Date: 2/26/2006 8:48:21 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Evangelist aims for reliance on Genesis,not
> > > genetic theory- Puppets
> > >>
> > >>> But explain to me how
> > >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> > >>
> > >> Explain to me how this is relevant to the question of the Danish
> > >> cartoons? And then explain how the Danish cartoons are relevant to
the
> > >> discussion of puppetry?
> > >>
> > >> Then I'll explain why the number of people in poverty in America has
> > >> risen every year since Clinton left office, while the price of
> > >> Halliburton stock has gone through the roof.
> > >>
> > >> I'll explain it to you off-list, since it isn't relevant to puppetry.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> DMCG
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Robert Rogers wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> Roger, A wise man closes his mouth and keeps his audience guessing,
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> fool
> > >>>> opens it and leaves no doubt.
> > >>>
> > >>> First of all, my name is Robert.  Secondly, your calling me a fool
is
> > >>> unwarranted.
> > >>>
> > >>>> Maybe you need to actually explore the FACTS first before sharing
> > >>>> your
> > >>>> misinformed opinions beyond the cocoon of ignorance in the US of A.
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe I have explored the facts.  You don't know who I am or what I
> > >>> know.
> > >>> Frankly, I'd rather exchange views on puppetry.  But explain to me
> > >>> how
> > >>> Arafat became a billionaire while his people continued to suffer?
> > >>>
> > >>> Robert Rogers
> > >>>
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