From: Widerman-AT-aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:47 EST To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Another Remarkable Video- Juggler's Smackdown These jugglers' videos seem to be rattling around the web quite a bit. It was first sent to me by someone a day or two before it came up on Puptcrit. Very interesting dichotomy between the original creative artist and the technically more impressive artist who appears a bit miffed. I found Greg's remarks to be quite insightful. But we grossly neglect a third artist in the fray, raising a whole bevy of other issues. If you have been watching both videos, you have listened to Paul McCartney's medley at least twice, and maybe sent it on to a couple of your friends. McCartney's cash register should be going ca-ching from all this play and I'll bet he is seeing nothing from it. I wonder what his lawyers have to say about copyright use and the web?! -Steven-> In a message dated 3/24/2006 12:35:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sapuppets-AT-ucwphilly.rr.com writes: I am enjoying this thread a lot. Competition between artists IS exciting. It can be petty but it can also move the art form forward. Picasso and Matisse were rivals and friends. They kept an eye on each other. It was said that they were so far ahead of everyone else that they were the only ones who truly "got" each others work. In the world of jazz (and Celtic music too) there are epic battles. In the 40s there were battles of the bands,on the same stage, It sold tickets like crazy, and got them all playing their very best and beyond. Someone said at the Academy awards the only way to really judge two actors is to have them play the same role. In opera and ballet and Shakespearean theatre this happens- who was the best Hamlet, Sir Laurence Olivier or Sir John Gielgud? Very often the conclusion is that various interpretations can each offer new insights into the role. We all benefit from being able to compare, and it sharpens our sensibility. In puppetry in the 1930s Eugene O'Neill's "Emperor Jones" was performed by Jero Magon on the east coast, and by Ralph Chesse on the west coast. I wonder if anyone got to see both productions? Can you imagine Phillip Huber, Ronnie Burkett, David Simpich, Basil Twist, Joe Cashore all on the same program? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Ballora" <gregballora-AT-sbcglobal.net> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Another Remarkable Video- Juggler's Smackdown Having watched both videos, and also having spent time with jugglers in the past, (their conventions make ours look mighty tame) I think there is an excellent lesson here in knowing your audience. The best thing Chris Bliss did was to pick that song and perform to it. To me, his performance was like a meditation on the song using 3 balls. I loved it. The other guy, Jason, is a phenomenal juggler, but most of what he does is beyond the average Joe's ability to comprehend. Hence, Chris' ability to time his catches to the music is more moving to me. I can get it. His "awkwardness" read more as struggle, and worked with the music. Jason, on the other hand, is also amazing, and if he had been taped on the same stage, with the same audience, he would also have gotten a great response, BUT he never would have come up with the idea in the first place. That is the key. As puppeteers, I am sure we all have been to puppet shows and been amazed that the audience liked the show as much as they did. We don't have the Beginner's Mind anymore. So there is that struggle between pushing the art forward, while still including the audience that isn't as sophisticated as us "professionals". Thanks to you both Diane and Dan for bringing the videos to our attention. I love to read the debate about other art forms. I am not so attached, so I learn more. Greg --- Daniel McGuire <dandmcguire-AT-mac.com> wrote: > I don't have a dog in this fight between these two > jugglers. (and I > wasn't trying to one-up Diane, who posted the Chris > Bliss link). I must > say that as an observer, I find the whole idea of > aesthetic > "smackdowns" highly amusing. I am trying to think of > other examples - > one that stopped me cold a few years ago was the > headline of a NYTimes > obit: > > "Remembering De Kooning as the 'guy to beat'" > > and this meme was repeated, later, on PBS's "The > News Hour": > > "And De Kooning, himself, said painting is a way of > living, and he was > just doing what came naturally to him. It's also > interesting that you > mentioned that he was called the American Picasso > because in > formulating the abstract expressionist style they > said De Kooning is > the guy to beat. And he set out to beat Picasso." > > I imagine some kind of donnybrook taking place over > at the Guggenheim, > with De Kooning and Picasso locked in mortal combat, > beating the crap > out of each other as they roll round on the > spiral-ramp gallery. "Team > America" did a good send-up of the absurdity of the > whole idea of > aesthetic competition in its treatment of a kind of > "acting duel" > between Alex Baldwin and the character of Gary > Johnston. > > "Shakespeare in Love" had a humorous scene of > one-upmanship between > Christopher Marlowe and the bard. > > I'm trying to think of other examples, particularly > as they pertain to > puppetry. The "Bruce Schwartz" character in "Being > John Malkovitch" had > a rival, who created a giant Emily Dickenson puppet. > Bruce called is a > "gimmick". Any others come to mind? C'mon - who > among us will deny the > hilarity? > > But seriously, in the world of Hip-Hop there are > some legendary, > brilliant verbal freestyle battles between > Supernatural, Craig G and > Juice, captured in the film "Freestyle: The Art of > the Rhyme. The film > Rize documents some breathtaking "krunk" and > "clowning" dance > competitions. > > And this is a Good Thing. It has certainly does > wonders for promoting > the form and the leading practitioners. > > The fact remains I never gave a thought to the > aesthetics of juggling, > and didn't really appreciate the technical > challenge, until I read > about this dust-up. Now I'm intrigued by the world > of juggling. Also a > Good Thing. > > By the way - I pity the fool who challenges my > puppetry skills. > > Cheers, > Dan McGuire > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Freshwater Pearls > Puppetry wrote: > > > Regarding the second video: > > > > Jason Garfield, apparently, is a technically > advanced juggler. What a > > shame he could only prove that to himself by > belittling someone else. > > > > Chris Bliss's performance is transcendant. Jason > Garfield's > > performance is a sneer. > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > Regards, > > Diane > > > > http://www.freshwaterpearlspuppetry.com _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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