Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] personal note on recycling


Thanks, Mary.  I appreciate it.  I do have to
apologize to Jim for sending my reply to him to the
entire group.  When I replied to Jim, I couldn't
understand why the letter did not appear on PuptCrit
and cut and paste it into a new posting.  It wasn't
until I saw Dan's note just now that I realized my
mistake.  So my sincere apologies to Jim for making
our chat public.

I should also say that I was not trying to attack him
at all, just offer a different perspective.  I have
great respect for him, even if I disagree with him. 
Otherwise I wouldn't bother replying.

I am also not trying to appear holier-than-thou.  I
don't think there is anything wrong with taking money
from McDonald's or any company if you LIKE McDonald's
or if you believe they are a great benefit to the
world and its peoples.  I DO think we should live up
to our beliefs.  And I DO think those issues were
relevant to puppetry, even if this letter is not.

Doris

--- Mary Horsley <mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net> wrote:

> I, for one, appreciate what Doris wrote as it gave
> me some serious food for
> thought......something I don't always get. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say
> you cannot do."
> -Walter Bagehot
> 
> "One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it
> is expressed in the
> choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our
> lives and we shape
> ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And,
> the choices we make
> are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor
> Roosevelt
> 
> "Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our
> lives, that we are
> dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every
> minute of every day. Do
> it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There
> are only so many
> tomorrows.
> 
> -Michael Landon
> 
> www.gentleteaching.com
> 
> We can't become what we need to be by remaining what
> we are.
>  
> --Oprah Winfrey
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Kismet <kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au>
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> > Date: 5/21/2006 7:48:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] personal note on recycling
> >
> > I think Doris is raising a very pertinent issue
> that we all, as
> puppeteers, 
> > as artists and as a person living on this planet
> must address..... At
> what 
> > point will our personal ethics clash with our
> professional practice...and
> I 
> > see puptcrit as an invaluable forum for exploring
> this, OK its going to
> get 
> > soap packaging, grand standing, off topic and
> personal but do we need to
> run 
> > away from that? Jim Gamble and I clash often and
> yet I maintain the
> highest 
> > respect for his practice and his beliefs. Should
> either of us leave the 
> > list?
> >
> > OK, in practise, Ill start the ball rolling...
> > I HAVE been asked to perform work for McDonalds
> and I refused point
> blank, I 
> > dont need to go into why do I? (when they
> discovered that I was the 
> > puppeteer with troll handing out "whats wrong with
> McDonalds" flyers to 
> > their customers every saturday morning they were
> relieved that I said no! 
> > Bugger, I missed an opportunity there didnt I)
> > Other organisations I would gladly turn down?
> Nike, Gap, Bunnings
> Hardware, 
> > Woolworths and most cosmetic companies. Obviously
> any company dealing
> with 
> > flesh products (not only because of the inhumane
> treatment of animals but 
> > because of the huge waste of protein in the
> industry and the clear
> felling 
> > of land for protein crops to feed that waste) and
> any company that has a 
> > role in promoting conflict in foreign
> countries...and boy THAT is a
> tangled 
> > web! I have had numerous offers to work for well
> known circuses and have 
> > declined most because of the documanted ill
> treatment of their animals.
> > There's my line, whats yours?
> >
> > Daniel
> > PS I think Jim replied to you off list Doris,
> which made your reply very 
> > confusing for the rest of us! 
> >
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