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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:05:10 -0400
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Hi Pam,

If you can take it, more chat about young audiences,

Les



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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Susan Wall Kronenberg)
>    2. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Steve Axtell)
>    3. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Brett Roberts)
>    4. Re: moldmaking learning curve (Mathieu Ren?)
>    5. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Mark S. Segal)
>    6. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Adam Bennett)
>    7. Re: moldmaking learning curve (Angusson-AT-aol.com)
>    8. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (mjm)
>    9. typo (mjm)
>   10. Re: Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones (Joe)
>   11. Re: moldmaking learning curve (Mathieu Ren?)
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:36:34 -0400
>From: Susan Wall Kronenberg <susan-AT-carouselpuppets.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>Thanks, Liz.  All part of a day's work.
>
>Susan
>
>
>At 06:11 PM 6/11/2006, you wrote:
>>Susan,
>>
>>I think what you are saying is really known by all of us,
>>but it is still very funny that they are looking for
>>Newborn through 5 instead of simply looking for puppeteers
>>with performances for families with young children.
>>
>>And hey congratulations on such a great day of financial
>>gain.
>>
>>Best, Liz
>>
>>--
>>K. Elizabeth Evans, President & Artistic Director
>>Renaissance Artist Puppet Company
>>http://www.RenArtPuppetCo.com
>>610-630-4259
>>Company performing -AT-
>>The Montgomery County Cultural Center
>>208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA
>>
>>Renaissance Artist Puppet Company's
>>mission is to promote excellence in puppetry as a
>>Theatrical art form and as an Educational tool by incorporating
>>historical and cultural diversity along with quality performance
>>techniques to tell our stories.
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:00:13 -0700
>From: Steve Axtell <steve-AT-axtell.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>I heard in some news release a few months ago that Henson is producing a 
>new show for Newborns also.
>
>Ax
>
>
>
>
>At 05:53 PM 6/11/2006, Mary Horsley wrote:
>
>>Don't limit what a baby can respond to....as an educator I am well aware of
>>how much more babies and toddlers take in then we think they are capable
>>of. I think the age suggestion just has a lot to do with the ages of the
>>store. If a puppeteer aims toward the 4-5 age bracket, the others will be
>>pleasantly amused by the colors, actions, and sounds of the puppets. Also,
>>just remember, whatever they see is adding to their personal experiences of
>>live puppets and theatre. There are older children who have never had the
>>chance to see live puppetry. If I had the time, like Susan, and loving
>>young children, I would jump at the chance to do such a gig.
>>
>>Mary
>>
>>"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
>>-Walter Bagehot
>>
>>"One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in the
>>choices one makes. In the long run, we shape our lives and we shape
>>ourselves. The process never ends until we die. And, the choices we make
>>are ultimately our own responsibility."-----Eleanor Roosevelt
>>
>>"Somebody should tell us, right at the start of our lives, that we are
>>dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do
>>it! I say. Whatever you want to do, do it now! There are only so many
>>tomorrows.
>>
>>-Michael Landon
>>
>>www.gentleteaching.com
>>
>>We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are.
>>
>>--Oprah Winfrey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Joe <joe-AT-dunfee.com>
>> > To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
>> > Date: 6/11/2006 8:14:33 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
>> >
>> >
>> > >The prenatal audience has  MUCH more consideration for the performer
>> > >than the newborns.  From newborn to toddler, in addition to
>> > >expressing their universal disapproval of the shows, they tend to
>> > >want to eat the puppets if you let them get too close.
>> >
>> > But perhaps our focus has been too much on the negative aspects of
>> > puppets for the very young.  What would hold their attention?
>> > Marionettes made of pacifiers and milk bottles?
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe Dunfee  joe-AT-dunfee.com
>> > Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
>> >
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:48:22 -0500
>From: Brett Roberts <bdr1020-AT-hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>Sesame Beginnings is definitely targeting a younger audience.
>
>http://www.sesameworkshop.org/sesamebeginnings/new/
>
>Brett
>
>Brett Roberts Productions
>http://dfwentertainer.com
>
>Brett's school and library shows
>http://educationalmagician.com
>
>
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:50:10 -0400
>From: Mathieu René <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] moldmaking learning curve
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>Hey, that makes a whole lot of sense!
>
>Thanks Steve!
>That's what i'll do next time!
>
>Mathieu René Créaturiste
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>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:57:47 -0400
>From: "Mark S. Segal" <segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>>Helps if you like kids, which a shocking number of
>>children's entertainers don't.
>
>
>I would be very surprised if anyone who does not "like" their audiences 
>could last for any appreciable time.
>A performance is a contract between performer and audience. They have to 
>work together to create the reality. In sync so to speak.....
>A give and take.....
>There is a dynamic here that live performers could probably benefit from 
>in learning how to "manage" their audiences for the best possible "give 
>and take".
>
>Attention spans have been blown out by TV.....
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:27:34 +0100 (BST)
>From: Adam Bennett <adam-AT-dynamicnewanimation.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>www.ooglyboogly.org.uk
>
>worth looking at
>
>Adam
>DNA
>
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > My thoughts exactly.  Tempting to e-mail and ask what
> > exactly they might have in mind to entertain Newborns through
> > under 2.
> >
> > Best,
> > Liz
> > K. Elizabeth Evans, President & Artistic Director
> > Renaissance Artist Puppet Company
> > http://www.RenArtPuppetCo.com
> > 610-630-4259
> > Company performing -AT-
> > The Montgomery County Cultural Center
> > 208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA
> >
> > Renaissance Artist Puppet Company's
> > mission is to promote excellence in puppetry as a
> > Theatrical art form and as an Educational tool by incorporating
> > historical and cultural diversity along with quality performance
> > techniques to tell our stories.
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>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Angusson-AT-aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] moldmaking learning curve
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>Dear Jim, Greg, Mathieu, Robert, Steve, et al:
>
>The posts concerning the 'string' method may be a tad misleading, and I
>wouldn't want to ever discourage someone from trying a method that has been
>sucessfully used by some of our finest puppeteers over the years.
>
>The Roses, Proctors, Phillp Huber, David Syrotiak, etc. and many others used
>this method. I stilll use this method. Some have, because of product changes,
>had to change their process. That's no reason to totally write off a tried 
>and
>true approach.
>
>No one can look at any of Margo Rose's characters and say that the results
>were less than outstanding. Some of the marionette heads the Roses made were
>from 3" up to 8" and were all cast this way. The detail and finish leave 
>no room
>for complaint.
>
>I think several of the generalizations posted need some clarification.
>
>First of all, using this method may not be suitable for some depending on the
>MATERIAL used for casting. OR for the slick and fast results required by some
>special circumstances such as film or video.
>
>But if a puppeteer were using a material like Plastic Wood (replaced for me
>by MendALL), then the results have been, are, and will continue to be totally
>successful. The advantage of these wood based materials (and others) provide
>that a head can be worked somewhat after casting to clean and finish 
>according
>to need. IF an absolutely smooth and flawless finish is needed, this material
>and method will do the job.
>
>The 'keying' which occurs as one pulls the strings through the almost set
>plaster provides an absolute match of mold pieces IF one pulls the string 
>in a
>serpentine movement as Rufus suggests.   One cannot expect a good match if 
>the
>strings are pulled straight, leaving no keying whatsoever. The string and
>pulling at this point will have no effect on the surface of the plaster 
>mold. The
>details are already fixed in the plaster.
>
>Seems to me that if one were using Neoprene, which I think (I have never used
>it) is fairly flexible as it comes form the mold, one could use the string
>method but place the strings up the sides and not up the front of the face. I
>don't know just how much one can 'work' or clean Neoprene after casting.
>
>I personally prefer to have that option of being able to work the head after
>casting. It's very satisfying.
>Perhaps the constraints of production or the pressures of time preclude that
>possibility for some. To me, that's kinda too bad. But that's the reality of
>the business - for some.
>
>What works for some may not be suitable for others. Let's not limit the
>possibilities for some of our newer puppeteers to explore ALL the 
>possibilities.
>
>I am off tomorrow for twelve days to O'Neill Puppetry Conference where I run
>the shop. This year we have Terry Lee (Green Ginger), Bernd Ogrodnik, Phillip
>Huber, Jim Rose, Tim Legasse, Marty Robinson, Richard Termine, Lenny Pinna 
>and
>Pam Arciero on staff. Jim Kroupa (Between the Lions) will do his amazing
>mechanics workshop. So I will be in puppet heaven once again.
>
>Best to all...
>Fred Thompson
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:13:54 -0500
>From: mjm <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>To me, even more interesting.
>http://www.architects-of-air.com/main.html
>
>Having done lots of outdoor performing as well as rather (12" - 16") large 
>puppets, I have for quite some time, longed to explore an "inflatable: or 
>"air-supported" stage/audience are along with large and small "inflatable: 
>and "air-supported" puppetry. Anyone doing this? I am aware of Fred 
>Garbo's In inftaed Theatre Company, but that is not what I have in mind.
>M
>On Jun 12, 2006, at 4:27 AM, Adam Bennett wrote:
>
>>www.ooglyboogly.org.uk
>"Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire." =AD Confucius
>
>"I hear and I forget.
>I see and I remember.
>I do and I understand."
>Confucius
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:14:05 -0500
>From: mjm <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] typo
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>Wa supposed to be 12' - 16'.
>duh!
>m
>On Jun 12, 2006, at 1:13 PM, mjm wrote:
>
>>To me, even more interesting.
>>http://www.architects-of-air.com/main.html
>>
>>Having done lots of outdoor performing as well as rather (12" - 16")
>>large puppets, I have for quite some time, longed to explore an
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:40:28 -0400
>From: Joe <joe-AT-dunfee.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Call for Puppeteers for Young Ones
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>mjm Wrote:
> >Having done lots of outdoor performing as well as rather (12" - 16")
> >large puppets, I have for quite some time, longed to explore an
> >"inflatable: or "air-supported" stage/audience are along with large and
> >small "inflatable: and "air-supported" puppetry. Anyone doing this?
>
>I've had similar thoughts, but never really pursued it.
>
>Bits-n-Pieces puppet theater in Tampa Florida has used inflatable scenery 
>for their large scale puppet shows. http://puppetworld.com/ (the pictures 
>of the shows that now use the inflatables has the old version with painted 
>flats)
>
>It seems a really great way to fill a larger stage area.  It can be a 
>push-button scene change if you plan for it.  I spoke with Holly Brook of 
>Bits-n-Pieces, and she said they were initially concerned about the noise 
>of the fan, but it turned out to not be an issue.  I didn't hear the fan 
>at all in the 300 seat theater in which I saw their production.
>
>I've certainly seen some wonderful advertising inflatables.  Most of them 
>are cartoon-ish, but many are very realistic.  I've sketched out a few 
>ideas for puppet related stages, but never implemented them.
>
>
>Joe Dunfee  joe-AT-dunfee.com
>Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:57:25 -0400
>From: Mathieu René <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] moldmaking learning curve
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>Hi Fred.
>I have to add my voice to the defense of the Rose string method.
>It has made my work so much more pleasant in most moldmaking situations, 
>especially in maskmaking.
>
>One thing I noticed works better, is when the plaster is not too fast-setting.
>It gives me more time to work the mold smooth outside, and then judge when 
>pulling the string is best.
>The latest plaster I bought must have taken humidity, it was full of lumps 
>before mixing, and had a grainy texture once liquid. Fortunaltely, it 
>dodn't affect the detail level of the cast, but did speed up the setting 
>tremendousl, resulting in huge clumps of air bubbles in the mold that 
>could not escape by any amount of tapping.
>
>Fortunately, these bubbles appeared away from the face, and were easily 
>patched with some polyFilla.
>
>
>
>
>
>Mathieu René Créaturiste
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>Puppets, Masks, Etcetera...
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>Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] moldmaking learning curve
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>>Dear Jim, Greg, Mathieu, Robert, Steve, et al:
>>
>>The posts concerning the 'string' method may be a tad misleading, and I
>>wouldn't want to ever discourage someone from trying a method that has been
>>sucessfully used by some of our finest puppeteers over the years.
>>
>>The Roses, Proctors, Phillp Huber, David Syrotiak, etc. and many others used
>>this method. I stilll use this method. Some have, because of product changes,
>>had to change their process. That's no reason to totally write off a 
>>tried and
>>true approach.
>>
>>No one can look at any of Margo Rose's characters and say that the results
>>were less than outstanding. Some of the marionette heads the Roses made were
>>from 3" up to 8" and were all cast this way. The detail and finish leave 
>>no room
>>for complaint.
>>
>>I think several of the generalizations posted need some clarification.
>>
>>First of all, using this method may not be suitable for some depending on the
>>MATERIAL used for casting. OR for the slick and fast results required by some
>>special circumstances such as film or video.
>>
>>But if a puppeteer were using a material like Plastic Wood (replaced for me
>>by MendALL), then the results have been, are, and will continue to be totally
>>successful. The advantage of these wood based materials (and others) provide
>>that a head can be worked somewhat after casting to clean and finish 
>>according
>>to need. IF an absolutely smooth and flawless finish is needed, this material
>>and method will do the job.
>>
>>The 'keying' which occurs as one pulls the strings through the almost set
>>plaster provides an absolute match of mold pieces IF one pulls the string 
>>in a
>>serpentine movement as Rufus suggests.   One cannot expect a good match 
>>if the
>>strings are pulled straight, leaving no keying whatsoever. The string and
>>pulling at this point will have no effect on the surface of the plaster 
>>mold. The
>>details are already fixed in the plaster.
>>
>>Seems to me that if one were using Neoprene, which I think (I have never used
>>it) is fairly flexible as it comes form the mold, one could use the string
>>method but place the strings up the sides and not up the front of the face. I
>>don't know just how much one can 'work' or clean Neoprene after casting.
>>
>>I personally prefer to have that option of being able to work the head after
>>casting. It's very satisfying.
>>Perhaps the constraints of production or the pressures of time preclude that
>>possibility for some. To me, that's kinda too bad. But that's the reality of
>>the business - for some.
>>
>>What works for some may not be suitable for others. Let's not limit the
>>possibilities for some of our newer puppeteers to explore ALL the 
>>possibilities.
>>
>>I am off tomorrow for twelve days to O'Neill Puppetry Conference where I run
>>the shop. This year we have Terry Lee (Green Ginger), Bernd Ogrodnik, Phillip
>>Huber, Jim Rose, Tim Legasse, Marty Robinson, Richard Termine, Lenny 
>>Pinna and
>>Pam Arciero on staff. Jim Kroupa (Between the Lions) will do his amazing
>>mechanics workshop. So I will be in puppet heaven once again.
>>
>>Best to all...
>>Fred Thompson
>>
>>
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