From: "Alan Cook" <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com> To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:28:11 GMT Subject: [Puptcrit] Muppet Mystery part 2 On my screen part of the link was not visible. Here is the COMPLETE connection. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmcct4ab98QQhzt-1 Thanks, Andrew & Matheu! ALAN -----Original Message----- From: puptcrit-request-AT-lists.driftline.org Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:48 PM To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: puptcrit Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 Send puptcrit mailing list submissions to puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to puptcrit-request-AT-lists.driftline.org You can reach the person managing the list at puptcrit-owner-AT-lists.driftline.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of puptcrit digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Foam Patternmaking advice? (Bud Wertheim) 2. Re: A Muppet Mystery? (Andrew) 3. Re: Foam Patternmaking advice? (Mathieu Ren?) 4. Re: A Muppet Mystery? (Mathieu Ren?) 5. Foam Patternmaking advice? (Andrew) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:13:41 -0500 From: "Bud Wertheim" <bwertheim-AT-hvc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Message-ID: <GJEOLILJACBBPGOBIHFAKEPDCHAA.bwertheim-AT-hvc.rr.com> Mathieu, I came across this patternmaking mecca some time ago and thought it might prove useful to you. http://www.costumes.org/advice/1pages/pattern_links.htm I did quite a bit of work for the Muppets when they first came to New York in 1961 and devised casting techniques for foam puppets based on the chemistry extant at that time. Multiple babies, etc. so I can't help with your cementing problem with a foam wedge. All the multiple round headed puppets were cast using plaster molds and a two part foam chemistry. Jim and I were co-chairs of the 1963 PofA national festival in Hurleyville, NY at the Morningside Hotel (long since demolished). I still live in that area and at the age of 80 still do an occasional gig. You can see my website at http://www.budsyard.com Happy hunting, Bud -----Original Message----- From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Mathieu Ren? Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:34 PM To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? Hi all. I am still very new at patternmaking for foam rubber puppets, so I wasn't able to make a very spherical shape yet. I did achieve wonderful other shapes (more complex, strangely enough), and I'm using them on the puppets, but the sphere is yet to be achieved. The wonderful other shapes are a spider's abdomen, a fat pill shape, and a strange faceted ball that was almost round. Can somebody tell me the mathematical formula to calculate the proper height and width of a rounded diamond wedge that will make up the sphere, depending on how many wedges I plan to include? I know it exists, I read it someplace years ago, perhaps even here on Puptcrit. Even If a formula cannot be found, can someone send me a picture of the single wedge, and tell me how many of it it takes to make that sphere? I figure I can enlarge or reduce at will... I'm dreaming of a basic patternbook for basic shapes like these: -sphere -pear/lightbulb -peanut in the shell -trumpet I can't get The Foam Book right now, money is more than tight. but it's in the plans (The DVD is tempting) Thanks a lot for any help! Mathieu Ren? Cr?aturiste Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera... Puppets, Masks, Etcetera... SITE officiel: www.magma.ca/~uubald/ www.creaturiste.blogspot.com www.maskmaking.blogspot.com creaturiste-AT-magma.ca (514) 274-8027 _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:35:53 -0600 From: Andrew <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] A Muppet Mystery? To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Message-ID: <30657e0d0611111435i4a4623e2yc2f3d607127ddf44-AT-mail.gmail.com> Alan, The ebay link you posted doesn't seem to be working, but are you referring to auctions for Muppet replicas? It's a pretty remarkable black market, they sell for anywhere from $500 and up. I suspect it's even bigger it seems on ebay. I know when I used to build puppets for others there was rarely a month went by when I didn't turn down someone who wanted a Muppet replica. People were willing to pay a lot of money for them. I posted an article about this on my blog awhile back - http://puppetvision.blogspot.com/2006/10/about-selling-replica-puppets.html - Andrew -- The PuppetVision Blog "The web's best source for puppet film and video goodness, delivered fresh to your computer each day." http://puppetvision.blogspot.com Machin-X "...where pixels meet puppets" http://machin-x.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:41:06 -0500 From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Message-ID: <000b01c705e2$7abca680$2534f3c7-AT-critter1> reply-type=original THanks Bud, this link is ery interesting. I'll take hours to sort through it1 I have stumbled on your site about last year. Cool punch puppet! You worked for the first generation of Muppets? Cool! As for making foam puppets from the chemical process, it is still done today, we have a supplier of Smooth-On products locally, and my collegue works for that place. I might try that process someday! Mathieu Ren? Cr?aturiste Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera... Puppets, Masks, Etcetera... SITE officiel: www.magma.ca/~uubald/ www.creaturiste.blogspot.com www.maskmaking.blogspot.com creaturiste-AT-magma.ca (514) 274-8027 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Wertheim" <bwertheim-AT-hvc.rr.com> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? > Mathieu, I came across this patternmaking mecca some time ago and thought > it > might prove useful to you. > http://www.costumes.org/advice/1pages/pattern_links.htm > > I did quite a bit of work for the Muppets when they first came to New York > in 1961 and devised casting techniques for foam puppets based on the > chemistry extant at that time. Multiple babies, etc. so I can't help with > your cementing problem with a foam wedge. All the multiple round headed > puppets were cast using plaster molds and a two part foam chemistry. Jim > and > I were co-chairs of the 1963 PofA national festival in Hurleyville, NY at > the Morningside Hotel (long since demolished). I still live in that area > and > at the age of 80 still do an occasional gig. You can see my website at > http://www.budsyard.com > > Happy hunting, > > Bud > > -----Original Message----- > From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org > [mailto:puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Mathieu Ren? > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:34 PM > To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Subject: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? > > > Hi all. > > I am still very new at patternmaking for foam rubber puppets, so I wasn't > able to make a > very spherical shape yet. I did achieve wonderful other shapes (more > complex, strangely enough), and I'm using them on the puppets, but the > sphere is yet to be achieved. > The wonderful other shapes are a spider's abdomen, a fat pill shape, and a > strange faceted ball that was almost round. > > Can somebody tell me the mathematical formula to calculate the proper > height > and width of a rounded diamond wedge that will make up the sphere, > depending > on how many wedges I plan to include? I know it exists, I read it > someplace > years ago, perhaps even here on Puptcrit. > > Even If a formula cannot be found, can someone send me a picture of the > single wedge, and tell me how many of it it takes to make that sphere? > I figure I can enlarge or reduce at will... > > I'm dreaming of a basic patternbook for basic shapes like these: > -sphere > -pear/lightbulb > -peanut in the shell > -trumpet > > I can't get The Foam Book right now, money is more than tight. but it's in > the plans (The DVD is tempting) > > Thanks a lot for any help! > > > > > Mathieu Ren? Cr?aturiste > Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera... > Puppets, Masks, Etcetera... > SITE officiel: www.magma.ca/~uubald/ > www.creaturiste.blogspot.com > www.maskmaking.blogspot.com > creaturiste-AT-magma.ca > (514) 274-8027 > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:50:25 -0500 From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] A Muppet Mystery? To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Message-ID: <001701c705e3$c81ce380$2534f3c7-AT-critter1> reply-type=original >> I posted an article about this on my blog awhile back - > http://puppetvision.blogspot.com/2006/10/about-selling-replica-puppets.html Thanks Andrew, fascinating article on your blog, as always. Last year I turned down a Heavy metal Hommage band who wanted a giant puppet of Eddie, the mascot from Iron Maiden (I think). I suggested I could do something in a similar mood and visual style, as if Eddie was just one member of a race. When I told them that, I pretty much lost them as cutomers. I never heard from them again. They couldn't understand the moral issue, they said they were actually paying hommage to the band. True, but they are making money in the process. They would probably not get in trouble with the replica, but I could, as the builder who would have made it possible. Mathieu Ren? Cr?aturiste Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera... Puppets, Masks, Etcetera... SITE officiel: www.magma.ca/~uubald/ www.creaturiste.blogspot.com www.maskmaking.blogspot.com creaturiste-AT-magma.ca (514) 274-8027 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] A Muppet Mystery? > Alan, > > The ebay link you posted doesn't seem to be working, but are you referring > to auctions for Muppet replicas? It's a pretty remarkable black market, > they > sell for anywhere from $500 and up. I suspect it's even bigger it seems on > ebay. I know when I used to build puppets for others there was rarely a > month went by when I didn't turn down someone who wanted a Muppet replica. > People were willing to pay a lot of money for them. > > I posted an article about this on my blog awhile back - > http://puppetvision.blogspot.com/2006/10/about-selling-replica-puppets.html > > - Andrew > > -- > > The PuppetVision Blog > "The web's best source for puppet film and video goodness, delivered fresh > to your computer each day." > http://puppetvision.blogspot.com > > Machin-X > "...where pixels meet puppets" > http://machin-x.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org > Admin interface: > http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org > Archives: http://www.driftline.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:25:11 -0600 From: Andrew <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com> Subject: [Puptcrit] Foam Patternmaking advice? To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Message-ID: <30657e0d0611111425k5259de23u2caeedf55d345ed7-AT-mail.gmail.com> Mathieu, What you're describing is called "the wedge method" of foam puppet construction. The basic idea is that to make a perfect sphere you glue together eight wedges that are four times longer than they are wide. You can create different shapes by varying the size, shape and number of wedges. have an old tutorial (incomplete unfortunately) at http://www.bear-town.com/backstage/tumbles_intro.htm that describes how to do this if you haven't already seen it. I would personally not buy the Foam Book. If money is tight I think you'll find the patterns sold by Puppet Project much better. The patterns are somewhat lacking when it comes to technical details, but as far as learning how to make different shaped heads they are great. Even better is a new DVD by Dave Privett called "From Sketch To Show: Patterning A Puppet". It can be ordered through Dave's company Playsoup at http://www.playsoup.com/store/video6.htm I hope this helps! - Andrew -- The PuppetVision Blog "The web's best source for puppet film and video goodness, delivered fresh to your computer each day." http://puppetvision.blogspot.com Machin-X "...where pixels meet puppets" http://machin-x.blogspot.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org End of puptcrit Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20 **************************************** _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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