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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:41:50 -0500
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Subject: [Puptcrit] Stephen Kaplan's Masterful Puppeteers post



Ah Steve,

This is a better question....

>If you wanted someone you care about to really understand what it is that
makes you so passionate about puppetry-what shows or artists would you send
them to see?<

I would want them to see the masters, but also humble, fumbling students (like myself) at all ages and stages.  To feel the glow from finally getting a moment of fire from an inanimate object where you can feel yourself fading away as the puppet takes flight.  I also want them to see the way a child can be held rapt in concentration by a puppet show, so thoroughly involved that not even the other kids can shatter the moment.  The glint of appreciation in the eye of an adult as they feel for an instant genuine empathy for something they know cannot be real. 

For me the passion is to see the masters, to live in the moment of my own creation, and to feel the spark passed to an audience.  

I also would like my friends, having seen the masters and the beginners to look at my work as it will always be, a work in progress, subject to change of spirit and body, but always, a shimmering elusive trace of the passion in my soul.  If they can see my progress, false starts, foibles and flaws, then, when I succeed or I fail, they will always see passion and the spirit of my art.  I am content to know that those who know me best, whether they ever see me or any other puppeteer perform, know I approach my work in the art with enthusiasm and joy... whether or not talent or skill follow :).

Best wishes!
Terri Klingelhoefer
Primary Player
Klingel-Engle Puppets
7251 West State Rd 46
Ellettsville IN 47429
tklingel-AT-indiana.edu
812-876-3540 land line
812-325-9326 cell

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   1. Re: Looking for puppetry ebook (Brett Roberts)
   2. Re: political (John Bell)
   3. Re: the most masterful puppeteers (steve abrams)
   4. Re: the most masterful puppeteers (Stephen Kaplin)
   5. Re: Looking for puppetry ebook (Mathieu Ren?)
   6. Re: puptcrit Digest, Vol 26, Issue 16 (Andrew)
   7. Re: Looking for puppetry ebook (Brett Roberts)
   8. FESTIVUS? (mjm)
   9. Re: FESTIVUS? (Michele Acquin-Sovereign)
  10. Re: the most masterful puppeteers (FredCowanPuppets-AT-aol.com)
  11. Re: political (Ed Atkeson)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:49:15 -0600
From: "Brett Roberts" <bdr1020-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Hi Andrew,

You could also look here for a free copy of the marionette book:

http://puppetnet.com/trick_marionettes

Have fun,
Brett

Brett Roberts
The Comedian for Kids
http://kidscomedian.com/

Brett's school and library shows
http://educationalmagician.com/

Brett's Comedian for Kids Blog
http://kidscomedian.blogspot.com/






>From: Andrew <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com>
>Reply-To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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>Subject: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
>Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:38:49 -0600
>
>I was wondering if anyone has an ebook copy of or link to a pdf of "Trick
>Marionettes" by Nicholas Nelson and JJ Hayes. It was published in the
>mid-1930s and is now in the public domain. I know it's out there because
>several web sites that sell ebooks have downloaded it from somewhere and 
>are
>reselling it.
>
>I would also love to get a pdf/ebook copy of "Ventriloquism Of Today" by
>Paul Stadelmann which I believe is also in the public domain if anyone 
>knows
>where that can be found.
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Andrew
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:57:53 -0500
From: "John Bell" <John_Bell-AT-emerson.edu>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] political
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Bread and Puppet Theater has created a number of shows dealing with 9/11 and the various responses to those events.  These performances began almost immediately after the 9/11 events, and include street processions opposed to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; indoor shows such as World on Fire; The Victory over Everything Circus; and the company's most recent work, The Battle of the Terrorists & the Horrorists, which just completed a three-week run in New York.  These shows are not solely focused on the events of 9/11, but also on the events leading to and following the 9/11 attacks. 
 
jbell 

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Subject: [Puptcrit] political



Have any puptcrit members
    1) Created shows/presentations/videos on the subject of the 9/11
terrorist attacks on the USA?
    2) Know of other puppeteers/puppet companies that have reated
shows/presentations/videos on the subject of the 9/11 terrorist attacks
on the USA?
    3) Created shows/presentations/videos on the subject of any the
terrorist attacks of the 20th & 21st centuries?
    4) Know of other puppeteers/puppet companies that have reated
shows/presentations/videos on the subject of any the terrorist attacks
of the 20th & 21st centuries?

Links, contacts and/or information appreciated.

Michael John Moynihan
Milwaukee, USA

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:01:57 -0500
From: "steve abrams" <sapuppets-AT-ucwphilly.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] the most masterful puppeteers
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Some thoughts on lists and awards and most masterful puppeteers-
I like Stephen Kaplin's response, and his list
I enjoy  lists of best 100 movies, best rock albums of all time, etc

Best lists helped to inspire me, to test my growth. Around the age of 30 I
was sure that any critic who left MY favorite artist off a list, was of
course a total idiot

Every January the NY Times offers not one, but 3 lists of the best 10 films
of the year, 3 lists by 3 different critics. I think they have that exactly
right. If a film shows up on 2 or even 3 lists, then it is definitely a film
that should be explored.(the thinking behind the UNIMA citations, runs along
the same lines- if 3 respected people agree on a show, it is a show of
considerable note)
In the mid 70s when Siskel and Ebert (two terrific film critics)  agreed on
some films and offered opposite opinions about  other films, then all
benefited from the dialogue.

A few years back on puptcrit,  I wrote something like this-

At Christmas time, when I was a lad, I would look over toy catalogs
and circle the items that I wanted  from Santa. Most of those
requests were unfulfilled, but I continued to make wish lists. When I
began to read puppetry books and Puppetry Journal, I had a long list of
shows and
artists that I wanted to see:

So puptcritters, in the spirit of the season, to restate Rachel's  question
a different way
What is on your wish list?
or
If you wanted someone you care about to really understand what it is that
makes you so passionate about puppetry-what shows or artists would you send
them to see? (Its a little like asking- whats on your ipod)

Stephen's list was limited to USA puppeteers but  I would add at least three
international
"masters" who helped to define the best in puppetry.
It would be hard to overstate the importance of Albrecht Roser (Germany) as
both an artist and teacher.
Richard Bradshaw (Australia) is certainly a master who has inspired others
to explore shadow puppets.
and
Ronnie Burkett (Canada) has helped to redefine the emotional depth that is
possible in puppet theatre

Cheers
Steve






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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] the most masterful puppeteers


> That's a realio complexio questio.
> Lets break it down into catagories. These are my nominations for (US
> only):
>
> -Best Puppet builders: Michael Curry, Marty Robinson.
> -Best Directors for Puppets and masks (Puppeteer division): Peter
> Schumann, Eric Bass,  Janie Geiser
> -Best Directors for Puppets and masks (non- Puppeteer division): Julie
> Taymor, Lee Breuer, Ping Chong
> -Best Puppet Familes; The Carter clan, The Henson cabal
> -Brainiest Puppeteers: John Bell, Roman Paska
> -Loudest Puppets: Big Nazo
> -Biggest Puppet: Michael Curry's Bird/River thing for the Atlanta
> Olympics
> -Most influential Puppet companies of the last 40 years: Bread and
> Puppet, The Muppets.
>
> Please feel free to amend or add some more  catagories.
>
> SKa.
>
> On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Rachel Anthonisen wrote:
>
>> I would be interested to hear from people who they think are the realio
>> truelio most fabulous puppet masters alive in the world today - let's
>> keep
>> it to counting on only one hand- the 3-5 very very best, whom we must
>> see
>> before we die,
>> thank you,
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:24:20 -0500
From: Stephen Kaplin <skactw-AT-tiac.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] the most masterful puppeteers
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <fbe62e003c6d0809e683bda934c587b6-AT-tiac.net>

Steve's observations are right on the mark.
As pointed out by Nancy, such lists reveal more about the list-ers than 
it does the list-ees. So mine is admittedly biased towards NYC-based 
white males (Sorry about that.) Also it's quite incomplete. In addition 
to puppeteers residing in other portions of the known universe,  it 
should have also included Basil Twist and Ralph Lee (yay, home team!). 
Who else of import did I leave out?

However I do feel sorry for jumping into this thread with out 
consideration of the whole concept of rating the "mastery" of each 
other's work in such a crudely quantifying manner. Perhaps what we 
should be discussing is not the contents of our individual master's 
list, but how we go about recognizing genius and mastery within our 
artform.

Stephen

On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:01 AM, steve abrams wrote:

> Some thoughts on lists and awards and most masterful puppeteers-
> I like Stephen Kaplin's response, and his list
> I enjoy  lists of best 100 movies, best rock albums of all time, etc
>
> Best lists helped to inspire me, to test my growth. Around the age of 
> 30 I
> was sure that any critic who left MY favorite artist off a list, was of
> course a total idiot
>
> Every January the NY Times offers not one, but 3 lists of the best 10 
> films
> of the year, 3 lists by 3 different critics. I think they have that 
> exactly
> right. If a film shows up on 2 or even 3 lists, then it is definitely 
> a film
> that should be explored.(the thinking behind the UNIMA citations, runs 
> along
> the same lines- if 3 respected people agree on a show, it is a show of
> considerable note)
> In the mid 70s when Siskel and Ebert (two terrific film critics)  
> agreed on
> some films and offered opposite opinions about  other films, then all
> benefited from the dialogue.
>
> A few years back on puptcrit,  I wrote something like this-
>
> At Christmas time, when I was a lad, I would look over toy catalogs
> and circle the items that I wanted  from Santa. Most of those
> requests were unfulfilled, but I continued to make wish lists. When I
> began to read puppetry books and Puppetry Journal, I had a long list of
> shows and
> artists that I wanted to see:
>
> So puptcritters, in the spirit of the season, to restate Rachel's  
> question
> a different way
> What is on your wish list?
> or
> If you wanted someone you care about to really understand what it is 
> that
> makes you so passionate about puppetry-what shows or artists would you 
> send
> them to see? (Its a little like asking- whats on your ipod)
>
> Stephen's list was limited to USA puppeteers but  I would add at least 
> three
> international
> "masters" who helped to define the best in puppetry.
> It would be hard to overstate the importance of Albrecht Roser 
> (Germany) as
> both an artist and teacher.
> Richard Bradshaw (Australia) is certainly a master who has inspired 
> others
> to explore shadow puppets.
> and
> Ronnie Burkett (Canada) has helped to redefine the emotional depth 
> that is
> possible in puppet theatre
>
> Cheers
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Kaplin" <skactw-AT-tiac.net>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] the most masterful puppeteers
>
>
>> That's a realio complexio questio.
>> Lets break it down into catagories. These are my nominations for (US
>> only):
>>
>> -Best Puppet builders: Michael Curry, Marty Robinson.
>> -Best Directors for Puppets and masks (Puppeteer division): Peter
>> Schumann, Eric Bass,  Janie Geiser
>> -Best Directors for Puppets and masks (non- Puppeteer division): Julie
>> Taymor, Lee Breuer, Ping Chong
>> -Best Puppet Familes; The Carter clan, The Henson cabal
>> -Brainiest Puppeteers: John Bell, Roman Paska
>> -Loudest Puppets: Big Nazo
>> -Biggest Puppet: Michael Curry's Bird/River thing for the Atlanta
>> Olympics
>> -Most influential Puppet companies of the last 40 years: Bread and
>> Puppet, The Muppets.
>>
>> Please feel free to amend or add some more  catagories.
>>
>> SKa.
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Rachel Anthonisen wrote:
>>
>>> I would be interested to hear from people who they think are the 
>>> realio
>>> truelio most fabulous puppet masters alive in the world today - let's
>>> keep
>>> it to counting on only one hand- the 3-5 very very best, whom we must
>>> see
>>> before we die,
>>> thank you,
>>>
>>> Rachel
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> friends module.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:53:23 -0500
From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Message-ID: <003b01c72268$d5cb92a0$6e1d70cf-AT-critter1>
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Wow, thanks for sharing the link, Brett. I'm not Andrew, but I appreciate 
it, and so will my contacts.

It took about 10 minuts to load all the pages and save them to disk.
Someday I might find the time to convert it all to a single PDF.
Or find such a version already done.

I like the notes of the Puppetnet author, which he added to the book. 



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:59:07 -0600
From: Andrew <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 26, Issue 16
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Thanks Robert, I've since discovered that Shawn Sorrell is putting the book
online at http://puppetnet.com along with some updates notes of his own so I
will likely take the information from there since it is already scanned.

I've heard that the control diagrams are missing from the book. I'm
collecting this information to post on the Puppet Building Wiki and
hopefully someone with experience in trick marionettes will eventually fill
in the gaps and contribute some control diagrams as it's not an area of my
expertise.

- Andrew

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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:31:45 -0500
> From: "Robert Rogers" <robertrogers-AT-frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
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>
> >I was wondering if anyone has an ebook copy of or link to a pdf of "Trick
> > Marionettes" by Nicholas Nelson and JJ Hayes.
>
> I have a couple of copies including the original publication.  If you
> would
> like me to photocopy or scan part of it, let me know & I'll be happy to.
> But, you know, while the different marionette types are described, the
> controls are not.  And they're important!
>
> Robert Rogers
>



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:56:44 -0600
From: "Brett Roberts" <bdr1020-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <BAY129-F12874D63A06CF93A983A06B8C90-AT-phx.gbl>

Not a problem,  Mathieu.

The controls are completely out of date, but this is where I learned to 
build my break away skeleton. I just remembered the shape of the control 
from a show I saw years back. From there it was just a little trial and 
error.

Brett

Brett Roberts
The Comedian for Kids
http://kidscomedian.com/

Brett's school and library shows
http://educationalmagician.com/

Brett's Comedian for Kids Blog
http://kidscomedian.blogspot.com/






>From: Mathieu René <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca>
>Reply-To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
>To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Looking for puppetry ebook
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:53:23 -0500
>
>Wow, thanks for sharing the link, Brett. I'm not Andrew, but I appreciate
>it, and so will my contacts.
>
>It took about 10 minuts to load all the pages and save them to disk.
>Someday I might find the time to convert it all to a single PDF.
>Or find such a version already done.
>
>I like the notes of the Puppetnet author, which he added to the book.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:05:57 -0600
From: mjm <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] FESTIVUS?
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <7413dd6a16eab326c87f0089e1d9cde4-AT-wi.rr.com>

Do any Pupptcritters do productions that celebrate the FESTIVUS holiday?

Michael John Moynihan
Milwaukee, WI, USA, Great Lakes Bio Region, North America



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:46:48 -0500
From: "Michele Acquin-Sovereign" <michele-AT-puppet-planet.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] FESTIVUS?
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Message-ID: <006701c722bb$baa1e7b0$33d4bb48-AT-userndjqclrb71>


I always thought that was a Seinfeld invention from that episode with
George. Never knew it was an actual holiday.  Guess that proves my
ignorance. =)

Festivus for the rest of us!
 

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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:06 AM
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: [Puptcrit] FESTIVUS?

Do any Pupptcritters do productions that celebrate the FESTIVUS holiday?

Michael John Moynihan
Milwaukee, WI, USA, Great Lakes Bio Region, North America

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:04:42 EST
From: FredCowanPuppets-AT-aol.com
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] the most masterful puppeteers
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <c90.397f777.32b8404a-AT-aol.com>

Just a thought - when the movie critics judge movies, they see MOST if not 
ALL the movies-  How many puppeteers have seen most, if not all other puppeteers 
work?  If someone submits a name for the list of ther best - that is their 
opinion of only the shows they have seen.  How could you know if there was a 
puppeteer that was much better if you haven't seen them all?   Just my two cents 
worth.  Fred Cowan


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:11:05 -0500
From: Ed Atkeson <edatkeson-AT-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] political
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <d930ccc1da7d52bcc840cb736097e398-AT-earthlink.net>

 >>> So, finally, my question.
 >>> Due to the obsessive/compulsive nature of my creativity, the 
research never stops. My initial focus in AMBER'S Alert was the 
historical/political connections & nature of the event. But as time has 
gone by it has become more than abundantly clear that the "official" 
USA/911 Commission version of the event is full of holes. I suspect 
most if not all Puptcitters will assume I am a complete nut-case at 
this point. But My focus is now on the unanswered 9/11 questions as 
well as it being the rational for the present WW3. Are any of you, or 
do you know of anyone who is, doing work that goes in this direction?

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No. Sorry, looks like it's up to you, MJM.
I would love to see what you come up with, it is a rich vein to mine.

Also, on your subject, my "Rhinoceros" production was  motivated by 
politics.

I prefer to be doing art that does not try to grind any axes, but 
sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.

best,
Ed A

I agree that all art is political one way or the other. 



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