Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:09:53 -0700
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
From: Steve Axtell <steve-AT-axtell.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] $10 one time...not $10 per year!  Come on folks!


  I'd be willing to give $10 keep it 
going.  There was an email earlier showing that 
there may be a misunderstanding that you were 
requesting volunteers for $10 each year.   I'm 
sure many more will step up with a one-time donation.

What is the total cost each year if you moved it to the new server?

Ax
Steve Axtell


At 03:17 PM 4/28/2007, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I thought that it was clear from my original message that what I am
>asking about is a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10.   If enough
>people made a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10, I could pay for
>SEVERAL YEARS of a private server.
>
>But I guess it wasn't clear enough, because a number of people
>expressed a concern as to whether someone who couldn't afford $10
>would still be permitted on Puptcrit.   So the answer is: I am NOT
>proposing an obligatory fee for being on the list.  I am asking
>people about their willingness to make a ONE-TIME VOLUTARY
>contribution of $10.   There is no obligation to donate anything.
>
>This having been said, I also have to say that the results of my poll
>are, so far, rather unencouraging.  It has been 24 hours since I
>asked the question, and so far 25 people said "yes".   Assuming that
>half of Puptcrit has not yet read yesterday's email, so that the
>total could go up to, say, 50, this suggests that only about 1 person
>in 7 is willing to make a one-time contribution of $10 to improve the
>working of this list!
>
>Wow.
>
>This list has existed for over 12 years now, and I think it's a very
>fine  and very special list.   The work that I, and others, have put
>into it over the years has been donated freely, out of pleasure. And
>I am happy to continue running this list and putting work into it
>freely, out of pleasure.  But you know what?  It is NOT a pleasure to
>run this list when it is disfunctional - when every week somebody
>gets their Puptcrit mail blocked, gets automatically unsubbed, and so
>on.  And no, it is not just AOL - it is also Comcast, and Northnet,
>and sometimes Hotmail, and any ISP that uses the services of a major
>filtering company.  And it is also NOT a pleasure to run the list
>when, as it turns out, so few of its subscribers value it enough to
>be willing to make a $10 one-time contribution to it.
>
>So I have to say that right now, I am supremely discouraged, which is
>a euphemistic way of saying I am bloody pissed.  I am happy to
>discuss options other than moving the list - I am not eager to move
>it,  I love leaving well-enough alone, and if anybody has suggestions
>about other ways of restoring the list to normal functionality
>without constant hassles with spam filters, I would love to think
>about them.  But this is completely separate from the issue of how
>many people would be willing to fork out one single $10 contribution
>to finance moving the list, if that WAS the best solution.  Only 50
>people out of 350?  Wow.
>
>By the way, Liz in MA points out that the problem with the AOL
>filters occurs not just with listserv mail, but also with private
>mail.  Of course it does.  When we send email, we send it, most of
>us, through PUBLIC SERVERS.  I, for example, am right now connected
>to the Internet via Earthlink.  If I was writing to somebody at AOL,
>and AOL was blocking Earthlink mail, my mail would be rejected.  In
>fact, I am sometimes connected to the Internet through another ISP,
>and that ISP is being blocked by Hotmail.  So if I make the mistake
>of sending an email to Hotmail while connected through the other ISP,
>the addressee never gets my mail and I wouldn't even know.  Why does
>this happen?  Because some other user of that ISP is, or was, in the
>habit of sending spam to Hotmail users, as a result of which Hotmail
>decided to block all mail from that ISP.
>
>As for Liz Evens' question about whitelisting, I don't know what the
>answer is.  None of the ISPs that I contacted in connection with
>blocking Puptcrit ever suggested that they could solve the problem by
>whitelisting Puptcrit mail.  This of course doesn't mean that it
>couldn't be done.
>
>
>-malgosia
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