To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "malgosia askanas" <ma-AT-panix.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Server move issues


Dave wrote:

> As one of the "non-core" people, I would like to give my perspective
> fwiw. I feel that this mailing list is a great source of interesting
> information and links to photos of fantastic works of artistry. I find
> it informative and inspiring. I would miss the list even though I only
> crawl out of the woodwork to post once a year.
> 
> Having said that, I am on quite a few other lists that I value and would
> miss as well. Would I pay for any on the lists? At the risk of putting
> things too bluntly, no. 

Dave, all that this means is that somebody else is paying for those lists.
In other words, somebody else has to value them more than you do, and be able
to afford the price, in order for these lists to continue existing and be
offered for your enjoyment.

> I  don't believe that the money issue has much to do with things. 

Not for as long as somebody else does the paying ;-).

> >From the perspective of a "non-core" person, I believe that you would
> see membership drop significantly with people having difficulty
> re-signing up or simply not wanting the hassle of re-subscribing. Is
> that something to worry about? Perhaps. 

I am not sure what you are referring to here.  If I moved the list (which is an
ever receding possibility), I would automatically move the subscription list -
i.e. re-subscribe everybody.  On the other hand, the hassle of re-subscribing
is precisely what I have to worry about NOW.  People are constantly getting
unsubbed from the list because their spam filters are bouncing the list email,
and then they have to go through the hassle of contacting their ISPs, 
re-subscribing, being bounced again, and so on.  So if you think the
re-subscription difficulties are something to worry about and something that
degrades the quality of the list, you are only making my own case for me. 

> Again, I worry that we will lose the peripheral members of the list if
> we change. Perhaps another listserv can offer migration tools?

Every listserver offers migration tools.  This is not a problem.

> If a new server is in the works, might I recommend looking at
> rimuhosting.com? I have used them for 5 years and am very happy with
> their service. A server with root access can be obtained for
> $20-$30/month and you can install all the software you like.

Yeah, their VPS plans are very much like those offered by Panix, my primary
ISP.  The diff between these plans and Apollo's is that with Panix's and 
Rimuhosting's VPS, the owner has to basically do the system administration -
there is no system administration offered by the hosting company as part of 
the plan.  If I am to spend time doing system administration for the server, 
I would need to be paid a lot more than the extra $10-20 than Apollo charges 
for this service.  Wouldn't you?

> I used to be a unix sysadmin and developer in a previous life and while
> I could not help with day to day maintenance, I may be able to help with
> system setup if needed.

Well, if suddenly 65 more people declare their willingness to donate $10, 
I will be happy to impose upon you for help, if needed.


-m
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