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Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:16:48 GMT
Subject: [Puptcrit] JOHN & MARSHA


Thanks, Steve for googling up Alec Guiness' name in that John & Marsha movie clip, and the name of George Lafaye as puppeteer.

A note to Mary Robinette Kowa: why ask OTHERS for new topics on puptcrit. You are quite capable, and in looking over archives, it is a natural process, not a forced one.

Besides, a topic isn't done until it is done.

Or is there just ONE way to do papier mache?

(I can be snotty too)

For younger puptcritters, it may help to say that Stan Freberg animated and voiced puppets on KTLA Los Angeles' TIME FOR BEANY---ie: he was a puppeteer aiong with Daws Butler. Allegedly a show for kids, I knew business people who turned off the phone, shut the office door and turned on TIME FOR BEANY---it had a huge adult fandom. Sadly the scenery was  conventional.

RE: the three important French puppeteers listed by Steve, I'd add Philippe Genty.

ALAN COOK


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   1. Re: puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23 (Charles Taylor)
   2. Re: puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23 (Charles Taylor)
   3. Two Upcoming Performances in Brooklyn (Adam Gertsacov)
   4. Re: puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 24 (Charles Taylor)
   5. Re: Hat & Feather puppet act (Steve Abrams)
   6. To Mary Robinette  Kowal (Klingelhoefer, Terri S)
   7. shameless self promotion (Liz Evans)
   8. Re: New discussion: Edible puppets (Rolande Duprey)
   9. International Theatre Kitchen (Steve Axtell)
  10. Scenography for puppet theater (Mary Robinette Kowal)
  11. Re: To Mary Robinette Kowal (Mary Robinette Kowal)
  12. Steve Tillis book -- where available (Klingelhoefer, Terri S)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:37:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Taylor <cecetaylor-AT-verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23
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Roland, Thank you for reminding me of that delightful top hat and feather boa!
I saw it on television in the 1950's. I believe their names were John and Mary 
and the act was based on a popular record of that period in which only John 
and Mary were repeated through all emotions of boy finding girl, love making, 
anger, sadness, forgiveness, making up, boy getting girl back!.  The recording 
was all the rage in which high school students mimicked the recording.  Alan 
Cook would probably know who  the performers were. Could it have been Andre 
Tehon?

Charles

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rolande Duprey <roboladupe-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Drawing a line
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"The Theatre of Performing Objects" includes anything that can be manipulated 
for a dramatic effect. ??
One beginning of Object Theatre was in France in the 60's, where actors 
experimented with the subtle Signs (as in semiotica) and ?? associations of 
daily objects. For example, we associate a a bottle of diswashing liquid with 
cleanliness, sinks, domesticity, and most often with women. A bottle of wine 
would not have the same associations. 
The best example of ??object theatre was in a film (I forget which one) in 
which a top hat and a feather boa have an amazing love scene...(in black 
light) there are only two words -- they called out each others names. (anyone 
remember this?)
Object theatre takes just as much time in rehearsal and choice of figure as it 
does in any other puppet event. Time is spent on things other than 
??engineering, painting or sculpture. Is the puppeteer seen? If so, what does 
he represent, if anything? ?? ?? 
When Terri refers to "canned puppetry" as being any performance that has been 
(once touched by puppeteers/animators) ??filmed, I find this word has alarming 
associations -- 
conjuring up cans of film, 
but also, canned tuna, milk, soup,
canned laughter, 
canned from a job...
speaking of which, I've got to get back to work.
Rolande




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:41:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Taylor <cecetaylor-AT-verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23
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The best example of ??object theatre was in a film (I forget which one) in 
which a top hat and a feather boa have an amazing love scene...(in black 
light) there are only two words -- they called out each others names. (anyone 
remember this?)

Rolande

Whoops! Elaine reminded me it was John and Marsha, not Mary. Her memory is 
better than mine! That's why she always wins the arguments in our house-hold!

Charles


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:03:23 -0400
From: Adam Gertsacov <kafclown-AT-well.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] Two Upcoming Performances in Brooklyn
To: Adam Gertsacov <kafclown-AT-well.com>
Message-ID: <C272658B.38AB8%kafclown-AT-well.com>

 I'll be performing in Brooklyn twice in the next couple of weeks!

 At both of these gigs, I am not the only performer.  I'm performing in the
 company of some of NY's top performers and puppeteers.
 
 So make sure to come on out, and say Hello after the show!
 
 MONDAY, MAY 28
 I'll be performing my show The Barbie Oedipus at PUNCH! The Galapagos
 Puppet Slam.  Show seems to start at 7:30 pm, and is either $5 or free.
 Other performers will also be there who are very involved in the adult
 puppet scene in NY.  Definitely worth checking out.
 
 My show is in the back room of the space-- even better is that at 9:30 pm,
 the World Famous Bob will be performing a Burlesque show!  Tickets for
 that are $5.  I am not in that, but I will be in the audience for sure!
 DIRECTIONS AND INFORMATION: http://www.galapagosartspace.com
 MORE ABOUT MY WORK: http://www.acmeclown.com
 
 SATURDAY JUNE 2
 I'll be performing the Acme Flea Circus at 12:30 pm as part of the Red
 Hook Waterfront Arts Festival.  I'm performing on the Waterfront Museum &
 ShowBoat Barge.  Admission is free, but I will be passing the hat, so
 bring your 20's!  :o)
 
 ABOUT THE FESTIVAL: <http://www.dancetheatreetcetera.org/upcoming.html>
 ABOUT THE SHOWBOAT: <http://waterfrontmuseum.org/>
 ABOUT THE FLEA CIRCUS: <http://www.trainedfleas.com>
 

Professor A.G.Gertsacov
Flea Trainer and Psycho-Entomologist
proprietor, Acme Miniature Circus
http://www.trainedfleas.com
professor-AT-trainedfleas.com


SOME OF MY WEBSITES:

clown shows -->http://www.acmeclown.com
P.T. Barnum -->http://www.ptbarnum.org
Bright Night-->http://www.brightnight.org
Book about RI --> http://www.riatoz.com
weblog -->http://www.quahogs.blogspot.com 




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:27:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Taylor <cecetaylor-AT-verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 31, Issue 24
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Alan Cook said,
 . .Shari Lewis was known to make metal creamers ??"talk" at restaurants by 
opening and closing the flip lids---literally table top puppetry and I confess 
to having done that too to entertain young visiting nephews. Both puppetry and 
animated cartoons have shown that we can animate just about everything or 
perform with just about anything, though the results of satisfaction may vary. 
..

Alan Cook 

Remember the wonder scene where Charlie Chaplin sticks is forks in the 
potatoes and dances them at the dinner table? Who was the audience? A young 
girl he was entertaining?

When I got to the part of the inquisition in your comments, I had to stop and 
laugh. I hadn???t read the top where your name was but instantly knew you were 
the writer.  Thanks for being there!

By the way, Carol,  Emily and Kuli made a spam puppet for Elaine on her last 
birthday. So now, she has an anthropomorphic spam can puppet to manipulate 
with her dolls!

Charles


Mary Robinette Kowa said, 

 . .Furthermore, how many times can one have the same discussion without
retreading the same ground? ??I'd like to suggest that everyone stop,
go read "Towards an Aesthetics of Puppetry" by Steve Tillis, and
return to the topic when you have something new to say.

Mary Robinette Kowa

Mary, I enjoyed all of what you had to say.  Please consider that
some of us may seem to be retreading old ground but actually these may be 
unresolved ideas that we have carried for lack of more information, Also it is 
very entertaining and thought provoking to see how others stand on these 
issues. Its very enlightening to have this kind of communication with others.  
I have found discussions like these most rewarding and mind expanding if not 
helpful to define my own thinking or biases.

Charles


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 02:04:43 -0400
From: "Steve Abrams" <sapuppets-AT-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Hat & Feather puppet act
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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	<93f64b620705172304q29cd777fvb55acd472b0d286b-AT-mail.gmail.com>

I have the image of the feather boa and the top hat,
and can hear the words "John and Marsha". It certainly seems like a French
Yves Joly show BUT

Stan Freberg wrote "John and Marsha" in 1951 and the "song" as it was called
was a big hit for Capitol records. (easy to check this on line) This was the
same time period when Freberg was working on "Time for Beany" with Bob
Clampett.
The "song" credited to Freberg shows up in a movie called
"To Paris with Love" 1954 or1955 with Alec Guiness.

The sound you hear is Steve googling and also pulling books off shelves- AH
HA
page 192 Bil Baird- it isnt Yves Joly. It was George Lafaye who did " John
and Marsha" as a puppet show. McPharlin also gives him the credit. page 598.
It was done as "Black Theatre" at the Blue Angel night club.
Lafaye is credited as a pioneer of the "Black Theatre" technique.
3rd source Puppetry Dictionary
Googling some more-
yes it was Lafaye who did "George and Marsha" in the film

I think we need to find this film clip. I want it!!!!

We think of this sophisticated sexy puppet work as being French. VERY
interesting that an American puppeteer wrote it but a French artist made it
into a puppet show!!!

Three French puppeteers has a huge influence in the 50s
Yves Joly, George Lafaye, and Andre Tahon
Joly was born in 1908 so I guess he is 99.. He was on the Sullivan Show in
52
Who would like to see that clip? Burr Tillstrom gave Joly credit for
inspiring his hand ballets

I would love to hear more about this French connection from folks who
actually saw these shows.

Steve

On 5/17/07, Alan Cook <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com> wrote:
>
> Wasn't that Yves Joly & Company?--they also performed in Las Vegas.
>
> I don't remember the name of the movie which used the act, but wasn't
> David Niven sitting in the audience in that movie scene?
>
> Everyone I knew who saw that act GOT IT!
> AND they got it as PUPPET SHOW.
>
> ALAN COOK
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:14:16 -0400
From: "Klingelhoefer, Terri S" <tklingel-AT-indiana.edu>
Subject: [Puptcrit] To Mary Robinette  Kowal
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Please provide a new topic or two for discussion.  

Best wishes!
Terri Klingelhoefer
Primary Player
Klingel-Engle Puppets
7251 West State Rd 46
Ellettsville IN 47429
tklingel-AT-indiana.edu
812-876-3540 land line
812-325-9326 cell


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:11:48 -0400
From: Liz Evans <liz-AT-etherboy.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] shameless self promotion
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Hello All,

This is for the Philadelphia, PA Area Puppetry community.
Renaissance Art Puppet Co will present their final
show of the season this weekend -AT- the Montgomery County
Cultural Center, 208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA  19403.

"It's A Mazing"
is a musical based on the Theseus and the Minotaur myth.
We have revamped this show to a more Tong in Cheek reading.
So if you think you've seen this show, you ain't seen nothing
yet.

Performances will run Friday 18th -AT- 7 pm
                     Saturday 19th -AT- 3 & & pm
                     & Sunday 20th -AT- 3 pm

Tickets are $12.50 for all
$2 discount for Local Guild members.
Reservations suggested 610-630-4259
Tickets will be available at the door.

Running time is approximately 2 hours which includes a 15 minute 
intermission.  This show is age appropriate for 9 years thru Adults.

So come on out for some fun with Greek mythology that will make you
giggle and root for the hero. 5 styles of puppetry.

We hope to see you all there.

K. Elizabeth Evans, President & Artistic Director
Renaissance Artist Puppet Company
http://www.RenArtPuppetCo.com
610-630-4259
Company performing -AT-
The Montgomery County Cultural Center
208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA

Renaissance Artist Puppet Company's
mission is to promote excellence in puppetry as a
Theatrical art form and as an Educational tool by incorporating
historical and cultural diversity along with quality performance
techniques to tell our stories.


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rolande Duprey <roboladupe-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] New discussion: Edible puppets
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Speaking of keeping puppetry "fresh", 

The spam puppet made in Charles' Taylor's  mail reminded me....  
I've been doing workshops for kids on "edible puppets". This is tremendous fun, and very challenging in terms of find the materials and putting them together. 
Typically, they don't last very long. 

The kids are encouraged to make up a story or character-driven improv, perform it at least once before consuming the puppets. Sometimes they don't last to the end of the performance....

Rolande Duprey



 

"Klingelhoefer, Terri S" <tklingel-AT-indiana.edu> wrote: Please provide a new topic or two for discussion.  

Best wishes!
Terri Klingelhoefer
Primary Player
Klingel-Engle Puppets
7251 West State Rd 46
Ellettsville IN 47429
tklingel-AT-indiana.edu
812-876-3540 land line
812-325-9326 cell
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:49:51 -0700
From: Steve Axtell <steve-AT-axtell.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] International Theatre Kitchen
To: puptcrit-driftline.org-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <20070518145227.B886948003-AT-diego.dreamhost.com>

Received this email.  May be of interest to some on the list....Ax



International Theatre Kitchen is open to actors, 
dancers, choreographers, directors, stage 
designers, playwrights and script writers from 
different countries interested in international 
meetings, creative discoveries and new 
turning-points in their professional work.

This summer we are meeting in London. To 
register, please send your CV and a brief letter 
of motivation to 
<mailto:london-AT-iugte.com>london-AT-iugte.com or 
<mailto:iugte-AT-london.com>iugte-AT-london.com 
Performing arts ? it's a small world, let's meet each other.

International Theatre Kitchen
July 3 - 6, 2007
London, UK
<http://www.iugte.com/projects/kitchen.php>http://www.iugte.com/projects/kitchen.php 






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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:12:40 -0700
From: "Mary Robinette Kowal" <mary-AT-otherhandproductions.com>
Subject: [Puptcrit] Scenography for puppet theater
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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	<b69ffc000705181012sde6ca46i71e66c94dd98bd35-AT-mail.gmail.com>

Since Terri has asked me to provide a topic or two for discussion as a
gracious way to point out my snottiness earlier, here's one.

I'd love to talk about the use of scenic elements in puppet theater.
By this I don't mean how-to build a puppet stage, but rather the
theory behind a dynamic use of scenery.  Too often scenery in puppet
theater is an after-thought and not treated with the imaginative
layers that the art of puppetry itself brings to the stage.  We often
see roll drops or simple scenes that are changed at a blackout.

Ironically, the most imaginative sets often come from conventional
actors theater, where set designers use the set itself as a giant
puppet.  I'm a big fan of using all the elements of a show to create a
cohesive visual language for exploring the core of the story.
For example, Theatre de L'Oeil does this quite effectively in The Star
Keeper and at the other end Preston Foeder in Tales of Brother Grimy.
This isn't a question of being Large and Theatrical but of stretching
the stageing conventions as much with the scenic elements as we do
with the puppet design.




On 5/18/07, Klingelhoefer, Terri S <tklingel-AT-indiana.edu> wrote:
> Please provide a new topic or two for discussion.
>
> Best wishes!
> Terri Klingelhoefer
> Primary Player
> Klingel-Engle Puppets
> 7251 West State Rd 46
> Ellettsville IN 47429
> tklingel-AT-indiana.edu
> 812-876-3540 land line
> 812-325-9326 cell
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-- 
Mary Robinette Kowal
http://www.maryrobinettekowal.com


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:20:22 -0700
From: "Mary Robinette Kowal" <mary-AT-otherhandproductions.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] To Mary Robinette Kowal
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
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Terri,  I've only just realized that my response looked like it was
aimed at you directly.  It was not.  I thought that your discussion of
where the line stands was well thought out and presented.  It's
unfortunate that in the flurry of emails flying around about the
difference between puppet and non-puppet it looked like I was taking a
dig at you.  Definitely not. Thank you for offering a constructive
response to the snottiness in my message

That said, I am interested in the question I raised, which I'll
reiterate here as one of my two alternate topics of discussion.

Why is the difference between puppet and non-puppet important?

Yours,
Mary
-- 
Mary Robinette Kowal
http://www.otherhandproductions.com

On 5/18/07, Klingelhoefer, Terri S <tklingel-AT-indiana.edu> wrote:
> Please provide a new topic or two for discussion.
>
> Best wishes!
> Terri Klingelhoefer
> Primary Player
> Klingel-Engle Puppets
> 7251 West State Rd 46
> Ellettsville IN 47429
> tklingel-AT-indiana.edu
> 812-876-3540 land line
> 812-325-9326 cell
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-- 
Mary Robinette Kowal
http://www.maryrobinettekowal.com


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:40:03 -0400
From: "Klingelhoefer, Terri S" <tklingel-AT-indiana.edu>
Subject: [Puptcrit] Steve Tillis book -- where available
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Message-ID:
	<2C3DFA5D3D54C04CACFD7254FF55350301D05790-AT-iu-mssg-mbx102.ads.iu.edu>

http://www.amazon.com/Toward-Aesthetics-Puppet-Theatrical-Contributions/
dp/0313283591

 

Amazon only has one left.

 

http://pennybiz.net/store/merchant.mvc?

 

The puppetry store has it for  a better price of $67.00.

 

 

Best wishes!

Terri Klingelhoefer

Primary Player

Klingel-Engle Puppets

7251 West State Rd 46

Ellettsville IN 47429

tklingel-AT-indiana.edu

812-876-3540 land line

812-325-9326 cell

 



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