From: "Richard Johnson" <djdick-AT-georgiasouthern.edu> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org> Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:44:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Donations, moving the list, etc. I'm sorry you're pissed, and I am good for ten bucks. Cheap at twice the price (and I never have any trouble receiving puptcrit) Richard B. Johnson, Husband, Father, Grandfather, Actor, Director, Puppeteer, Playwright, Teacher,Writer, Thingmaker, Mormon, Person, Fool. I sometimes think that the last persona is the most important- and most valuable. Http://www.PuppenRich.com Http://three-score-and-ten-ormore.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org [mailto:puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org] On Behalf Of malgosia askanas Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:17 PM To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Donations, moving the list, etc. Dear All, I thought that it was clear from my original message that what I am asking about is a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10. If enough people made a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10, I could pay for SEVERAL YEARS of a private server. But I guess it wasn't clear enough, because a number of people expressed a concern as to whether someone who couldn't afford $10 would still be permitted on Puptcrit. So the answer is: I am NOT proposing an obligatory fee for being on the list. I am asking people about their willingness to make a ONE-TIME VOLUTARY contribution of $10. There is no obligation to donate anything. This having been said, I also have to say that the results of my poll are, so far, rather unencouraging. It has been 24 hours since I asked the question, and so far 25 people said "yes". Assuming that half of Puptcrit has not yet read yesterday's email, so that the total could go up to, say, 50, this suggests that only about 1 person in 7 is willing to make a one-time contribution of $10 to improve the working of this list! Wow. This list has existed for over 12 years now, and I think it's a very fine and very special list. The work that I, and others, have put into it over the years has been donated freely, out of pleasure. And I am happy to continue running this list and putting work into it freely, out of pleasure. But you know what? It is NOT a pleasure to run this list when it is disfunctional - when every week somebody gets their Puptcrit mail blocked, gets automatically unsubbed, and so on. And no, it is not just AOL - it is also Comcast, and Northnet, and sometimes Hotmail, and any ISP that uses the services of a major filtering company. And it is also NOT a pleasure to run the list when, as it turns out, so few of its subscribers value it enough to be willing to make a $10 one-time contribution to it. So I have to say that right now, I am supremely discouraged, which is a euphemistic way of saying I am bloody pissed. I am happy to discuss options other than moving the list - I am not eager to move it, I love leaving well-enough alone, and if anybody has suggestions about other ways of restoring the list to normal functionality without constant hassles with spam filters, I would love to think about them. But this is completely separate from the issue of how many people would be willing to fork out one single $10 contribution to finance moving the list, if that WAS the best solution. Only 50 people out of 350? Wow. By the way, Liz in MA points out that the problem with the AOL filters occurs not just with listserv mail, but also with private mail. Of course it does. When we send email, we send it, most of us, through PUBLIC SERVERS. I, for example, am right now connected to the Internet via Earthlink. If I was writing to somebody at AOL, and AOL was blocking Earthlink mail, my mail would be rejected. In fact, I am sometimes connected to the Internet through another ISP, and that ISP is being blocked by Hotmail. So if I make the mistake of sending an email to Hotmail while connected through the other ISP, the addressee never gets my mail and I wouldn't even know. Why does this happen? Because some other user of that ISP is, or was, in the habit of sending spam to Hotmail users, as a result of which Hotmail decided to block all mail from that ISP. As for Liz Evens' question about whitelisting, I don't know what the answer is. None of the ISPs that I contacted in connection with blocking Puptcrit ever suggested that they could solve the problem by whitelisting Puptcrit mail. This of course doesn't mean that it couldn't be done. -malgosia _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org Admin interface: http://lists.driftline.org/listinfo.cgi/puptcrit-driftline.org Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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