File puptcrit/puptcrit.0705, message 39


From: "Richard Johnson" <djdick-AT-georgiasouthern.edu>
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:44:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Donations, moving the list, etc.


I'm sorry you're pissed, and I am good for ten bucks.  Cheap at twice the
price (and I never have any trouble receiving puptcrit)

Richard B. Johnson, Husband, Father, Grandfather, Actor, Director,
Puppeteer, Playwright, Teacher,Writer, Thingmaker, Mormon, Person, Fool.  I
sometimes think that the last persona is the most important- and most
valuable.
Http://www.PuppenRich.com 
Http://three-score-and-ten-ormore.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org
[mailto:puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org] On Behalf Of malgosia askanas
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:17 PM
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Donations, moving the list, etc.


Dear All,

I thought that it was clear from my original message that what I am 
asking about is a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10.   If enough 
people made a VOLUNTARY ONE-TIME DONATION of $10, I could pay for 
SEVERAL YEARS of a private server.

But I guess it wasn't clear enough, because a number of people 
expressed a concern as to whether someone who couldn't afford $10 
would still be permitted on Puptcrit.   So the answer is: I am NOT 
proposing an obligatory fee for being on the list.  I am asking 
people about their willingness to make a ONE-TIME VOLUTARY 
contribution of $10.   There is no obligation to donate anything.

This having been said, I also have to say that the results of my poll 
are, so far, rather unencouraging.  It has been 24 hours since I 
asked the question, and so far 25 people said "yes".   Assuming that 
half of Puptcrit has not yet read yesterday's email, so that the 
total could go up to, say, 50, this suggests that only about 1 person 
in 7 is willing to make a one-time contribution of $10 to improve the 
working of this list!

Wow.

This list has existed for over 12 years now, and I think it's a very 
fine  and very special list.   The work that I, and others, have put 
into it over the years has been donated freely, out of pleasure. And 
I am happy to continue running this list and putting work into it 
freely, out of pleasure.  But you know what?  It is NOT a pleasure to 
run this list when it is disfunctional - when every week somebody 
gets their Puptcrit mail blocked, gets automatically unsubbed, and so 
on.  And no, it is not just AOL - it is also Comcast, and Northnet, 
and sometimes Hotmail, and any ISP that uses the services of a major 
filtering company.  And it is also NOT a pleasure to run the list 
when, as it turns out, so few of its subscribers value it enough to 
be willing to make a $10 one-time contribution to it.

So I have to say that right now, I am supremely discouraged, which is 
a euphemistic way of saying I am bloody pissed.  I am happy to 
discuss options other than moving the list - I am not eager to move 
it,  I love leaving well-enough alone, and if anybody has suggestions 
about other ways of restoring the list to normal functionality 
without constant hassles with spam filters, I would love to think 
about them.  But this is completely separate from the issue of how 
many people would be willing to fork out one single $10 contribution 
to finance moving the list, if that WAS the best solution.  Only 50 
people out of 350?  Wow.

By the way, Liz in MA points out that the problem with the AOL 
filters occurs not just with listserv mail, but also with private 
mail.  Of course it does.  When we send email, we send it, most of 
us, through PUBLIC SERVERS.  I, for example, am right now connected 
to the Internet via Earthlink.  If I was writing to somebody at AOL, 
and AOL was blocking Earthlink mail, my mail would be rejected.  In 
fact, I am sometimes connected to the Internet through another ISP, 
and that ISP is being blocked by Hotmail.  So if I make the mistake 
of sending an email to Hotmail while connected through the other ISP, 
the addressee never gets my mail and I wouldn't even know.  Why does 
this happen?  Because some other user of that ISP is, or was, in the 
habit of sending spam to Hotmail users, as a result of which Hotmail 
decided to block all mail from that ISP.

As for Liz Evens' question about whitelisting, I don't know what the 
answer is.  None of the ISPs that I contacted in connection with 
blocking Puptcrit ever suggested that they could solve the problem by 
whitelisting Puptcrit mail.  This of course doesn't mean that it 
couldn't be done.


-malgosia
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