Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:48:32 -0700
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] WPA puppets-for Carolyn Roark
Hey Alan,
George Mason also did and oral history of Ralph and a video one was
done as well. Alkl in the archives.
Bruce Chesse
>In 1980 during the World Puppetry Festival of Puppeteers of
>America/Unima-USA, there was an WPA puppet exhibit at George Mason
>University in Northern Virginia. Lynnie Raybuck was then working
>with/at the campus---she is a long-time member of the National
>Capital Puppetry Guild. Maybe you can reach her through
>
>http://www.dcpuppetguild.org
>
>In 1980, George Mason University had the bulk of WPA Federal Theatre
>Files which had been rescued from obscure storage (there had been
>attempts by the usual reactionary forces {ironically in Stalinist
>style] to obliterate the history of WPA).
>
>At GMU there were reports from various Federal Theatre groups on
>shelves. GMU also tried to get oral reports before and after 1980
>from many who had been involved---unfortunately sometimes the staff
>failed to truly connect with the puppet community, so they did not
>always know what questions to ask. Lorraine Brown had the
>opportunity, but chose to ignore it.
>
>As part of the 1980 Festival, there was a symposium on WPA puppets
>with Molka Reiche (Spelling?) who was with the Florida WPA, and
>others. Molka later gave the bulk of the marionettes to GMU, I
>donated a WPA Recreation Project clown marionette to GMU from South
>Pasadena CA (Oneonta Grammar School which I attended) taught by Lora
>Knight Pattison who had earlier trained with the Pasadena CA
>Recreation puppet project.
>
>WPA mimeographed 'how-to" puppet construction sheets, and probably
>scripts too.
>
>I have the bulk of surviving South Pasadena string puppets (except
>for many which kids took home---some may yet turn up in attics and
>rare yard sales)? ? ?
>
>When the Tony Sarg Marionettes performed at the Pasadena Civic
>Auditorium in the 1930s, a member of that troupe visited the South
>Pasadena puppet workshop
>
>(If Tony Sarg was with the troupe at the time, it was he who visited.)
>At any rate I stiil have a small cardboard Sarg poster from the
>Pasadena booking.
>
>I also have a group of marionettes from a Los Angeles WPA mariontte
>project which had been stored in an L.A. garage for decades, still
>wrapped in newspapers from the late 1930s. That treasure was
>expedited to me by Bob Baker who worked as a teenager with Theatre
>of the Magic Strings (WPA, Los Angeles) which at various times had
>connections with prominent puppeteers such as Ralph Chesse (also
>connected to San Francisco & Oakland projects) and Bob Bromley (who
>in 1930 had also worked with The Yale Puppeteers on L.A.'s Olvera
>Street and later on that street with The Olvera Puppeteers.
>
>Bob Baker has a few programs from the Los Angeles Magic Strings
>project, and is well worth contacting at the Bob Baker Marionette
>Theater, 1345 West First St, Los Angeles (they have a nice web
>page).. Bob's theater has the record for the longest running Puppet
>Theater in Los Angeles, over twice as long as the previous
>record-holder (Turnabout Theater) (Many Turnabout photos online
>through Los Angeles Public Library's web pages).
>
>Carol Fijan would be an important contact for New York WPA shows.
>The Conservatory of Puppetry Arts has "Joe Worker" and other hand
>puppets shown in a new CD (with other legendary puppets) we HOPE to
>have ready for next week's National Puppetry Festival (Puppetry
>Store) at Concordia University in St Paul MN. We hope to get a DVD
>version later. WWW.COPA-puppets.com
>
>Nick Coppola in NYC did a re-creation of the WPA script for
>Pinocchio--another good contact.
>
>I am told that the Library of Congess has taken over much of the WPA
>archive which had been at George Mason U, but GMU was allowed to
>retain any duplicate copies.
>Lynnie could verify.
>
>In Pennsylvaia, both in Philadelphia & Pittsburgh the WPA "Museum
>Project" created both hand puppets and marionettes in papier
>mache/cloth for use by schools and museums. COPA has some examples,
>and many have filtered thru antique stores and e-bay to collectors.
>Michael Malkin did a magazine article fo a now-defunct antique
>magazine, and has examples in his book, TRADITIONAL & FOLK PUPPETS
>OF THE WORLD pub'd by Barnes.
>
>The Museum Project made SETS of puppets, for shows on nutrition and
>hygiene (puppet tomatoes, carrots and pupper-tooth brush characters
>for example), as well as for Alladin (with a definite Chinese rather
>than Arabic look), Red Riding Hood, and other standard tales etc.,
>etc.
>
>Any info you can track on Hattie Flannigan including her book on
>Federal Theater may have BRIEF mention of puppets.
>
>The references offered by John Bell are important to start with.
>
>Ralph Chesse's important book was first published by George Mason U
>Press (Jean Reges Burn made the important contact so that could
>happen---I know because I went with her to the campus, and Lettie
>Connell Schubert did the intro for the book because we knew she was
>mentored by Ralph for 14 years and the logical choice).
>
>Personally I think Ralph's book belongs on every puppet book shelf.
>
>I hope we get to hear about the results of Carolyn's research!
>
>ALAN COOK
>
>
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> 1. Re: weddings (Emmy Bean)
> 2. Re: weddings (Mathieu Ren?)
> 3. See what I've been up to (Mathieu Ren?)
> 4. changed my email address (Deborah Hunt)
> 5. Unusual supplies and Methods (Mathieu Ren?)
> 6. Re: Federal Theatre Question (Bruce Chesse)
> 7. show and tell (Yvette Edery)
> 8. Re: Federal Theatre Question (Bell, John)
> 9. Re: Federal Theatre Question (Bell, John)
> 10. Manteo Family documentary film available on dvd!! (Bell, John)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:40:49 -0700
>From: "Emmy Bean" <beansome-AT-gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] weddings
>To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>Message-ID:
> <c6efe1950707111240u6ab67d20tb816b4d78d0447f0-AT-mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I recently performed with puppets at a wedding of some friends in the
>Berkshires.
>I played one scene as a small tabletop puppet re-enactment of the story of
>how the couple met; it was simple and fun to do, two puppets with a little
>signage and proppage. I also came armed with a larger bird puppet that I
>played with and handed around during the outdoor reception while guests ate
>and drank.
>Meaning, I played with the bird puppet while the guests drank, and handed
>it around while I drank.
>And then performed the tabletop scene after the bird got too drunk to fly
>anymore.
>Good times.
>
>Emmy Bean
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:16:47 -0400
>From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] weddings
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID: <002501c7c3f8$69683050$4001a8c0-AT-critter1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>> Meaning, I played with the bird puppet while the guests drank, and handed
>> it around while I drank.
>-------------
>
>Wow, you let people play with your puppet, unsupervised?
>yikes!
>
>How did you manage to get that amount of trust in people?
>Is the puppet made of armored spacesuit material?
>Or do you have a cloning machine to make more puppets at the flip of a
>switch?
>
>I get nervous lending my puppets for puppet improv nights, even though the
>performers are semi-pro at least.
>I wouldn't lend them to non-pupepteers anymore. Last time was two montsh
>ago, and the damage on some puppets told of real bad manipulating and
>storing practices.
>
>With pros, I do get some damage once in a while, but it's normal wear and
>tear, and easy to fix.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:47:08 -0400
>From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] See what I've been up to
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>, <PaperMacheArt-AT-yahoogroups.com>
>Message-ID: <000801c7c3fc$a8ebf780$4001a8c0-AT-critter1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>This monday if all goes well, you will finally get to see two of the
>8 latex puppets I've been working on.
>They are going to be on a humoristic videoclip.
>
>I'll give the adress once it's confirmed and works.
>It will be a rap "song" in french. It will make no real sense
>(that's the point) as it is a bad rap mix of songs from a children's
>tv show that was hot when I was a kid (in the 80s).
>
>It's great fun to make wild puppets with radio hosts who aren't
>affraid of the ridiculous, of themselves or anyone.
>These two first puppets are the most tame, the others are more wild,
>cariactures of local celebrities, including a zebra.
>
>Trivia: We don't have that many zebras in Quebec.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:21:59 -0300
>From: "Deborah Hunt" <dhunt-AT-caribe.net>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] changed my email address
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID: <006601c7c412$48a0ed70$b4d206cc-AT-userwhx1menigu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello Malgosia
>
>My new email address is maskhunt-AT-gmail.com
>Thankyou for making the change
>
>Deborah
>
>
>Deborah Hunt
>Teatro de M?scaras y T?teres
>MASKHUNT
>http://www.myspace.com/maskhunt
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:07:47 -0400
>From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] Unusual supplies and Methods
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID: <000601c7c418$af3c1cc0$4001a8c0-AT-critter1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Hi all.
>I am suddenly wondering what sort of unusual supplies or methods
>people use to solve artistic or technical problems.
>I'm interested in anything you migth want to share, you never know
>when it might come in handy.
>We don't always think in the same way, and your obvious solutions
>might not be so obvious to us. So let's share the wealth!
>
>
>For instance:
>
>-White Vinegar is a great cleaner, deodorizer, etcetera. Check the
>Internet to find hundreds of uses.
>
>-White Vinegar is also a great substitute for water when
>conditioning waterbased clays. A ceramist told me the clay won't
>crack as it dries on the surface, contrary to what happens when
>using water.
>
>-Instead of buying aluminum wire sold for making armatures, get the
>same thing for much less by dealing directly with electrical supply
>places. I,m told they sell it as a "ground wire". I get mine for
>free in a container behind a cable provider. The kind I get there
>requires a little work, I have to separate that finer wire from the
>main cable (too soft, mostly plastic with some copper inside).
>
>
>-I just have to share this one, although it's not directly artistic
>(saves my sanity, so it does help):
>Listerine Cool mint (a mouthwash with alcohol and menthol) is a
>great reliever of itchiness when applied and rubbed on a mosquito
>bite. The bite starts receding within minutes (compared to days if
>left alone), and the itch is almost gone within 5 minutes. Nothing
>else i tried (even the commercial relievers) comes even close. I
>found out about it one night when I had nothing left in the medecine
>cabinet that could possibly relieve a huge bite that was driving me
>nuts. I figured, if this mouthwash is strong enough to dull my
>mouth sensation for minutes, it might do the same for a skin
>lesion...
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:02:19 -0700
>From: Bruce Chesse <bchesse-AT-imagina.com>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Federal Theatre Question
>To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>Message-ID: <p06240812c2bb2d49fab1-AT-[198.107.16.194]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
>
>Call me:
>
>
>Bruce Chess? 503 236-4034
>
>My father was head of the Federal Theater
>Marionette Project in California for the WPA. I
>have scripts photos and anecdotes. Also read
>Ralph Chess?'s bookThe Marionette Actor
>(available from Amazon.com.
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>Forgive the research shortcut. I'm at the Harry
>>Ransom Center and up to my eyeballs in
>>marionette scripts from the 1930s. Does anyone
>>know of a source that would provide further
>>information about puppet performances sponsored
>>by the Federal Theatre Project? Did they have a
>>stable of puppeteers, or train local folks for
>>regional performances?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Carolyn
>>
>>
>>"Courage in Women is often mistaken for insanity."
>>
>>---------------------------------
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>> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:35:21 -0400
>From: Yvette Edery <art_goo-AT-yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] show and tell
>To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>Message-ID: <p06240800c2bb50a9c98b-AT-[192.168.111.16]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi Friends,
>
>I haven't had much time to share my work and since I
>am putting a lot of it into storage, I am taking
>pictures. I wanted to share. Hope you like them. This
>is what I have been making while at home and abroad.
>Here is some show, I will be writing an article (on
>the 2nd draft now), look forward to telling you more
>then.
>
>Yvette
>
>Yvette Edery
>Director, ArtistrYE Productions
>Puppetry for Film, Television, & Theater
>
>http://www.artistrye.com
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:38:41 -0400
>From: "Bell, John" <john.bell-AT-uconn.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Federal Theatre Question
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID:
> <5070C2A617D50748AA2F684A0D83F9970133484A-AT-EXCHANGEB.mgmt.ad.uconn.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear Puptcrit Colleagues,
> I am forwarding below Tony De Nonno's message about the
>availability of his great documentary of the Manteo family on dvd.
>It's One Family: Knock on Wood is a quite great film about Sicilian
>puppet traditions in the United States, and I would urge everyone to
>see it. It's cool!!
>
>john bell
>
>*************
>
>
>Here is wonderful news-I finally completed transferring Its One
>Family: Knock on Wood to DVD. Please download and see this
>impressive DVD cover which we just competed for it -- see attached.
>The reviewer in -NEWSDAY at the time of it PBS Network Premier
>broadcast characterized my documentary as "... a charming portrait
>of a Sicilian family in Brooklyn whose life work is creating
>life-size marionettes in the style of the Middle Ages. Producer
>Tony De Nonno has created a gentle old-fashioned film, a look into
>lives rooted in the Italian Renaissance"--And oh, the caring, the
>tender respect for craft in this family."
>
>More wonderful news-- Its One Family: Knock on Wood as well as my
>entire catalog of award-winning PBS/Educational documentary films,
>are now available on DVD for the Puppeteers of America Print/DVD
>Collection and for universities, colleges and puppet organizations
>across America for the incredible price of only $ 50.
>
>That is a 50% discount off my current catalog price and it includes
>"Public Performance Rights." I will send you a copy for the very
>special price we discussed.
>
>Please take special note of the multiple curriculum applications
>that this DVD's possesses. Many thanks for sharing/forwarding this
>wonderful offer and DVD Cover to other colleges and universities and
>puppet organizations you know across America and around the world.
>
>Rest assured that this documentary which has been seen by millions
>of Americans and screened/acquired at hundreds of universities and
>colleges worldwide will be heartwarming to our present and future
>generation for years to come. More wonderful news- within the last
>two weeks Stony Brook University, Queens College, St. Johns, Memphis
>University to name a few, have purchased DVD of this documentary and
>several of my prized PBS Network films which have been enlightening
>and inspiring to students and people of all backgrounds and ages.
>
>I am looking forward to receiving purchase orders from the Sandglass
>Theater which will insure that our future generation will be
>inspired by this award-winning PBS/educational documentary for many
>years to come.
>
>I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks a million for your
>time, consideration and support of my filmmaking vision. If I can be
>there for you, rest assured you can call on me at any time...
>
>Warmest wishes to you and everyone at the Sandglass Theater for a
>radiant, healthy and prosperous summer filled with many
>accomplishments and celebrations- as always,
>
>Tony
>
>Tony De Nonno
>Producer-Writer-Director & President
>De Nonno Productions, Inc.
>7119 Shore Road Suite 6F
>Brooklyn, NY 11209
>Ph/Fax 1-718 745-3937
>Cell 1-917 304 6610
>DENONNOPRODINC-AT-AOL.COM
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:49:11 -0400
>From: "Bell, John" <john.bell-AT-uconn.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Federal Theatre Question
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID:
> <5070C2A617D50748AA2F684A0D83F9970133484B-AT-EXCHANGEB.mgmt.ad.uconn.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I don't know of one unified source for this; I don't think there is
>one. But certainly many great American puppeteers were part of the
>FTP marionette units across the country, including Remo Bufano,
>Donald Vestal and David Lano as well as Ralph Chesse. Alan Cook has
>information about Los Angeles puppeteers from the FTP.
>
>Paul McPharlin headed the puppet element of the Michigan Arts and
>Crafts Project, which was a federal program in the 1930s, but not
>FTP specifically.
>
>I just found a book chapter in The Arts Workshop of Rural America by
>Marjorie Patten which talks about puppet companies as part of 1930s
>Agricultural Extension Service projects.
>
>Free, Adult, and Uncensored has some references to other puppet
>projects of the FTP.
>
>Bernice Silver wrote a wonderful article in Puppetry Journal a few
>years ago about activist puppet theater in upstate New York during
>the 1930s; it wasn't government funded, but quite parallel.
>Musician Pete Seeger was part of that project...
>
>By the way, the work of Lola Cueto and others in Mexico (i.e.,
>activist, community-focused puppet theater) was going on at the same
>time; another cool connection.
>
>I look forward to reading about what you find; it's new territory in
>terms of puppet history; something really important about our past
>which no one has really written about!
>
>jbell
>
>________________________________
>
>From: puptcrit-bounces-AT-lists.driftline.org on behalf of Carolyn Roark
>Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 2:29 PM
>To: Puppetry Listserv
>Subject: [Puptcrit] Federal Theatre Question
>
>
>
>Hi All:
>
>Forgive the research shortcut. I'm at the Harry Ransom Center and up
>to my eyeballs in marionette scripts from the 1930s. Does anyone
>know of a source that would provide further information about puppet
>performances sponsored by the Federal Theatre Project? Did they have
>a stable of puppeteers, or train local folks for regional
>performances?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Carolyn
>
>
>"Courage in Women is often mistaken for insanity."
>
>---------------------------------
>Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:50:10 -0400
>From: "Bell, John" <john.bell-AT-uconn.edu>
>Subject: [Puptcrit] Manteo Family documentary film available on dvd!!
>To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>, <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>Message-ID:
> <5070C2A617D50748AA2F684A0D83F9970133484C-AT-EXCHANGEB.mgmt.ad.uconn.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear Puptcrit Colleagues,
> I am forwarding below Tony De Nonno's message about the
>availability of his great documentary of the Manteo family on dvd.
>It's One Family: Knock on Wood is a quite great film about Sicilian
>puppet traditions in the United States, and I would urge everyone to
>see it. It's cool!!
>
>john bell
>
>*************
>
>
>Here is wonderful news-I finally completed transferring Its One
>Family: Knock on Wood to DVD. Please download and see this
>impressive DVD cover which we just competed for it -- see attached.
>The reviewer in -NEWSDAY at the time of it PBS Network Premier
>broadcast characterized my documentary as "... a charming portrait
>of a Sicilian family in Brooklyn whose life work is creating
>life-size marionettes in the style of the Middle Ages. Producer
>Tony De Nonno has created a gentle old-fashioned film, a look into
>lives rooted in the Italian Renaissance"--And oh, the caring, the
>tender respect for craft in this family."
>
>More wonderful news-- Its One Family: Knock on Wood as well as my
>entire catalog of award-winning PBS/Educational documentary films,
>are now available on DVD for the Puppeteers of America Print/DVD
>Collection and for universities, colleges and puppet organizations
>across America for the incredible price of only $ 50.
>
>That is a 50% discount off my current catalog price and it includes
>"Public Performance Rights." I will send you a copy for the very
>special price we discussed.
>
>Please take special note of the multiple curriculum applications
>that this DVD's possesses. Many thanks for sharing/forwarding this
>wonderful offer and DVD Cover to other colleges and universities and
>puppet organizations you know across America and around the world.
>
>Rest assured that this documentary which has been seen by millions
>of Americans and screened/acquired at hundreds of universities and
>colleges worldwide will be heartwarming to our present and future
>generation for years to come. More wonderful news- within the last
>two weeks Stony Brook University, Queens College, St. Johns, Memphis
>University to name a few, have purchased DVD of this documentary and
>several of my prized PBS Network films which have been enlightening
>and inspiring to students and people of all backgrounds and ages.
>
>I am looking forward to receiving purchase orders from the Sandglass
>Theater which will insure that our future generation will be
>inspired by this award-winning PBS/educational documentary for many
>years to come.
>
>I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks a million for your
>time, consideration and support of my filmmaking vision. If I can be
>there for you, rest assured you can call on me at any time...
>
>Warmest wishes to you and everyone at the Sandglass Theater for a
>radiant, healthy and prosperous summer filled with many
>accomplishments and celebrations- as always,
>
>Tony
>
>Tony De Nonno
>Producer-Writer-Director & President
>De Nonno Productions, Inc.
>7119 Shore Road Suite 6F
>Brooklyn, NY 11209
>Ph/Fax 1-718 745-3937
>Cell 1-917 304 6610
>DENONNOPRODINC-AT-AOL.COM
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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