File puptcrit/puptcrit.0707, message 144


Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:36:27 -0700
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] PRICING Fairly


I lover repeat customers. They ALWAYS get their choice of days and they get
to keep me at the same price structure for up to three years (or the repeat
customer discount (really it all depends on how much gas is at the moment)
(I wonder how many nested comments I can do in one sentence?) (3)).

They also give me treats....
Yeah for treats....


On 7/13/07, puppetpro-AT-aol.com <puppetpro-AT-aol.com> wrote:
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> Bravo, Tim. Very good answer. The only thing I would add would be that one
> may be able to get additional work from a client. I always offer specials to
> repeat customers. Work begets work.
> Rolande Duprey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Giugni <octorilla-AT-gmail.com>
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 1:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] PRICING Fairly
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> > I'm wondering what a "fair price" for a puppet  should be nowadays.
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> For stage or  video? Stage work you'll never make money as every
> production's budget for puppets comes out to $200 (US) and there will
> always
> be 10 puppets to be made.
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> -Can you share what prices you offer for each type of puppet?
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> I look at the project and my interest in the project and if I'm going to
> be
> hired to work in said project as something other than a builder.
>
> -Do you stick to your mathematical formula?
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> When pricing the formula is: (Approximate cost of materials +
> Approximation
> of my time) x 10%. An additional 10 to 30% for rush jobs on top.
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> I may give discounts for my time or reduce the 10%.
>
> -Do you adapt to (or try to beat) the prices of your collegues around the
> > world?
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> Hell no. I don't live in an inexpensive part of the universe. I have
> lattes
> to drink.....
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> -Do you accept to work in exchange for supplies or services (such as free
> > advertisement)?
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> Free advertisement, no. I am done with, "getting exposure". As we all
> know,
> one can die of exposure. Exchange for supplies and services, it depends on
> if I want either. It worked with my dentist. My tax guy- no.
>
> -Do you stick to your level of complexity and price, or do you offer a
> > choice, to allow the customer to pay less?
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> Simple puppets equal less time to build equals cheaper. I tell people the
> more you want it to do the more it will cost and that 'doing more' is not
> equivalent to 'more gimmicks'.
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> -Do you believe it is a "treason to the whole Discipline" to offer lesser
> > prices than most?
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> However you want to starve to death is your business.
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> THE PRICE
> > So when it comes to buying a one-of-a-kind, they don't understand the
> time
> > and work that went into it.
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> It is the job of the Maker to make them understand the importance of
> producing an unique item.
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> People will pay 1000$ for a small painting on canvas
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> They do? Please give me a list of these people so that I can pass it along
> to my starving artist friends.
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> (cliché landcape you see by the thousands), and find it acceptable "It's
> > ART, of course it's expensive!",
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> But you don't perform with a landscape painting.
> So, a puppet is not art? Is it a tool then? Shouldn't the use of the
> object
> be considered when pricing? I usually consider puppets to be tools. I've
> toyed with the idea that they're art
>
> Half that price for a performance-worthy puppet seems to be unreasonable
> for
> > them: "how can you ask so much for a simple doll???"
> > Believe me, I get that kind of argument even from people in the Theatre
> > business.
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> Jeeze, don't we all. I don't see why you would be surprised by the theater
> people, they don't do puppets, they think that puppets are a prop and not
> a
> actor.
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> You should find how much a custom made doll costs in your area.
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> Some makers greatly undersell their talents, and end up working for well
> > under minimum wage, when time and all expenses are considered. I've been
> > guilty of that, and am getting better at avoiding it. I admit to
> > compromising when the project is fascinating and can lead to other
> > contracts, but I try to avoid that now, as bills need to be paid after
> all.
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>
> (( Sigh )). Money. If only experience and level of interest were capital.
>
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> So, what would a reasonable price be for a custom-made puppet?
> > I think at the very least 200$ for a very simple puppet, and up as the
> > details and steps increase in complexity.
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> Seems fair-ish.
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> And even higher depending on the use of the puppet.
>
> Yep
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> A TV puppet can often be worth twice (at least) as the same puppet for
> > theatre.
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> If you designed the puppet I would say, $1500 (US) plus a percentage of
> any
> toys.
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> That strange Market again...
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> It's the economy of scale. Theater is very local. Television is, at the
> very
> least, state or provence broad. More viewers, more money.
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