From: Stephen Kaplin <skactw-AT-tiac.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:06:55 -0400
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Getting Gigs


In regards to seeing what  "plumbing for plumbing's sake"  would 
entail, I would check out the brilliant 15th century Arabic  book 
entitled "Book of Ingenious Devises" written by ....[a little help 
please, John Bell]
It shows diagrams and descriptions of many water-driven automata. 
Ingenious indeed. The Greeks and the Medici were also into fabulous 
water-driven mechanisms that had nothing to do with flushing toilets.
Hooray for plumbertists!!!
Has any one in our recent century created any such like water-operated 
puppet performance events?

Stephen


On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Ed Atkeson wrote:

>> Aren't joy, perceptions, emotions, understanding, etc. the everyday
>> transactions of the business of art for art's sake?
>>
>
> Well, I don't know.  If "art" is defined as a separate, specialized
> human endeavor, then "art for art's sake" sounds rather like a closed
> circuit.  For example, what would "plumbing for plumbing's sake" be
> like?   In fact, wouldn't it be funny to postulate that all possible
> approaches to plumbing fall either under the rubric of "plumbing for
> the sake of bringing home macaroni" or the rubric "plumbing for its
> own sake"?  I think in the case of plumbing one would think that this
> is a pretty inadequent and silly categorization. Yet, in the case of
> art, one hears it repeated - in one form or another - again and
> again.  If an artist is making art for the sake of life and joy, then
> why call this "for art's sake"?  Isn't hir art then then just as much
> "for the sake" of science, engineering, office work, plumbing,
> walking, working in a factory, sleeping - i.e. *all* aspects and
> activities of life?  Just as, in fact, good plumbing can be said to
> be just as much "for the sake" of music or art (not to mention
> washing) as for the sake of plumbing.
> -------------------------------------
> Thanks for the reply malgosia.
> Plumbing for plumbing's sake would likely be art. :)
>
> I think the idea of art that isn't bent to the service of the church,
> or commerce or fascism or education -- art standing on it's own,
> unalloyed, is a useful one. I think it's even a wonderful (if
> impossible) idea.
>
> That's what I mean by "art for art's sake." Do I have it wrong? I
> know these phrases have accepted meanings, and I haven't taken the
> course.
>
> best,
> Ed
>
>
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