Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:12:52 -0500 From: Andrew <puppetvision-AT-gmail.com> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 40, Issue 70 A couple years ago I put together a puppet pricing calculator, basically an excel spreadsheet that people can use to calculate what the pricing of the puppets they make should be. It's more geared towards people who mass produce puppets more or less full-time, but it might still be interesting - http://www.puppetbuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/puppetpricingcalculator.zip For a one-off job though Steve's formula probably works best. Also worth a read is an article called "How To Charge" - http://www.1099.com/c/ar/ta/HowToCharge_t042.html - Andrew On Feb 19, 2008 11:06 AM, <puptcrit-request-AT-puptcrit.org> wrote: > S > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:42:02 -0500 > From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com> > Subject: [Puptcrit] pricing custom built puppets > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> > Message-ID: <003a01c8730d$f92b1b20$ec6b464a-AT-YOUR4353FC193C> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > We are currently in negotiations to build some puppets for a national > tour. > We always seem to have problems with pricing, as this is not our primary > business (building and touring for ourselves mostly with a few custom > built > a year). If we charge what it really costs us in labor, we tend to lose > the > commission. If we undercharge just to get the commission for a challenge > or > to build a good relationship with a local organization we immediately > regret > it as we are not being paid for our work. Anyone have any guidelines they > like to share? > > Thanks > Michelle Carrigan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mathieu Ren?" <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:13 AM > Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppet doubters > > > >I met someone today who had big doubts about the usability of puppets in > >today's media. > > > > We showed him a few videos of various good puppets, but as soon as he > saw > > a single skit from Puppet-Up (Jim Henson's puppet improv, uncensored), > he > > was convinced, even enthused about it all, even telling us that THAT was > > what would work. > > He was right of course, he got all the good points spot on (dramatic > > effect, instant reaction, full motion, focus), he has a good eye. > > But preaching to the choir. > > > > The skit was the one with the french movie Director "blaba". > > Oh, the power of the internet! Fully Visual and Auditive point makers. > > > > > > Lesson of the story: if your customer is in doubt about anything, show > him > > something with a loud French Director who looks like DeNiro. > > Or am I missing something? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > > Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit > > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:03:13 -0800 > From: Steve Axtell <steve-AT-axtell.com> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] pricing custom built puppets > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > Message-ID: <mailman.3381.1203437176.6112.puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Here is what I've learned to do over the years....I hope it helps > some..... > > $ Value of est. hours it will require to > build _____ (including design time, patterns, sketching, changes) > (double your estimation, or at least half more, for modifications > required) > $ Value of actual hours communicating & managing > ____ (including changes, clerical, etc). > $ Actual Materials & Supplies it will cost > you______ (including shopping time, in bound freight, etc) > $ Profit you want to motivate you to take the job ______ (above labor > costs) > $ Value of exclusive rights, media rights, > etc. ________ (you can never make this design again) > $ Shipping costs, insurance, etc. > TOTAL $_________________ > > TERMS - non-refundable advance. 50% prior to work beginning. > Approvals by email photo updates. Custom work is non-refundable. > 50% balance plus shipping paid prior to shipment upon written approval. > warranty ____ days. After warranty period > repairs will be charged at $_____ / hr. > New changes and additions will raise the cost of > the puppet, adjustments will be made to the balance. > > Keep every step and detail in writing. Minimize > the phone and if decisions were made on the > phone, immediately send a confirmation email or > fax in writing for your paper trail. > > Most of the time we avoid any potential % share, > and craft a buy-out instead. It depends on the > client and their track record. > > Blessings....Ax > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > At 07:42 AM 2/19/2008, you wrote: > >We are currently in negotiations to build some puppets for a national > tour. > >We always seem to have problems with pricing, as this is not our primary > >business (building and touring for ourselves mostly with a few custom > built > >a year). If we charge what it really costs us in labor, we tend to lose > the > >commission. If we undercharge just to get the commission for a challenge > or > >to build a good relationship with a local organization we immediately > regret > >it as we are not being paid for our work. Anyone have any guidelines they > >like to share? > > > >Thanks > >Michelle Carrigan > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mathieu Ren?" <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca> > >To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:13 AM > >Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppet doubters > > > > > > >I met someone today who had big doubts about the usability of puppets > in > > >today's media. > > > > > > We showed him a few videos of various good puppets, but as soon as he > saw > > > a single skit from Puppet-Up (Jim Henson's puppet improv, uncensored), > he > > > was convinced, even enthused about it all, even telling us that THAT > was > > > what would work. > > > He was right of course, he got all the good points spot on (dramatic > > > effect, instant reaction, full motion, focus), he has a good eye. > > > But preaching to the choir. > > > > > > The skit was the one with the french movie Director "blaba". > > > Oh, the power of the internet! Fully Visual and Auditive point makers. > > > > > > > > > Lesson of the story: if your customer is in doubt about anything, show > him > > > something with a loud French Director who looks like DeNiro. > > > Or am I missing something? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > > > Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit > > > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > >_______________________________________________ > >List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > >Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit > >Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 > >- Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM > > > Steve Axtell > Axtell Expressions, Inc. > **************************************** > http://www.axtell.com > > > The original content of this email or attachments is ? Axtell Expressions, > Inc. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit > Archives: http://www.driftline.org > > End of puptcrit Digest, Vol 40, Issue 70 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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