From: "Alan Cook" <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com>
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:57:08 GMT
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Risks


Here we go again. You STILL need to THINK about YOUR question(s) in such a way that it can be answered to your satisfaction. (That does not mean you are listening to others unless you get some mysterious answer you want to hear, but some of us would welcome your learning to listen to other opinions.

Who said anything about "making a child cry?" Only YOU.

You are still asking a subjective question, not an objective one, and honestly it is all over the map, so would take a book to answer. WHAT ARE YOU bringinging to the table in this discussion?

Where are YOU coming from?
What have YOU done to expand borders with puppets?
What have YOU seen by others that you consider as examples?

It is NOT a new phenomenon that puppets have been used in the human theatre. Billy Rose used Remo Bufano's giant clown string puppet in his production of JUMBO on Broadway, Puppets were used on Broadway in ALICE IN WONDERLAND. Carnival! was ABOUT a Puppeteer and his puppet show. Lion KIng and many other Julie Taymor shows made exciting use of puppets in a theatrical venture. Bread & Puppets is primarily puppetry but it is a valid form of theatre with roots to the Middle Ages used in a revolutionary way.

So far, you remind me of"those people"  who ask us to "tell them all about puppets." The answer won't come in a phone call. There are books, puppet festivals, puppet courses, Puppetry Guilds, Puppeteers of America, UNIMA-USA and other UNIMA branches to help you get your answers You have to do a bit of archeology and a bit of homework yourself, and then you may get the question right. And you still have to phrase the right questions clearly.

You might also check the Dictionary for the words "clarity, maturity and hunility".

ALAN


-----Original Message-----
From: The Puppetry Arts Theatre
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:12 PM
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Risks

NOOOOO
Your totally missing the point.
Its not bout "being" risky.. The question was:

1) how is (using) puppetry in legitimate theatre (not a small kids theatre
upstate new york that has birthday parties on weekends) pioneering or risk
taking?
(I suggested that the technology is pioneering new ways to tell
stories/performances in legitimate theatre)

And the second question was...

2) How can puppetry- used in legitimate theatre- be impacting if at all?

You guys are totally missing the point. I don't know if I cud project it
better.. Hmmmm.. Let me think on it n see if I can revise the question cause
its seems that the critters are getting antsy about it.


On 2/21/08 6:02 PM, "Michael Richardson" <zenchops59-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:

> What is risky ( content wize ) in one part of the country might well be blase'
> in LA or New York. Honestly I'm following this thread, feeling like I'm
> missing something. Could someone please  give this troglodyte some kind of
> example of what would pass for "risky" in the first place ?  A performance
> using kitty cat corpses? Performed at a PETA convention ? Is this what we mean
> by this word ?
>   Michael
> 
> Alan Cook <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com> wrote:
>   Tim:
> You are interested in anyone's thoughts????
> 
> I took a risk in sending you mine.
> 
> I think you need to think harder about the original question.
> 
> You now suggest the answer is at the technical end. I do not think so.
> 
> Technical stuff is only interesting if used for a purpose. And only YOU can
> answer what is that purpose? What do YOU want to present to the audience? WHY
> are you a puppeteer? Others may have a different reason---especially if they
> are looking for groundbreaking stuff.
> 
> You asked a subjective question.
> 
> How would YOU answer it? (no peeking at the other students' answers)
> 
> ALAN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Puppetry Arts Theatre
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:31 PM
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] The risk of it all...
> 
> No you still didn't answer the question.
> 
> Nothing to do with a grant- just that the reply I got was not a mature or
> professional one. And I was hoping id get one. Just to see a point of view
> other then mine.
> 
> Re think about the questions---- how is using puppetry pioneering OR risk
> taking in todays theatre.
> 
> Don't jump to the superficial "oh risk is in my heart'. How is it
> pioneering- if at all? Is it pushing the boundaries of theatre- if at all?
> 
> I think its a technical thing, myself...the technology to do the "whatever."
> 
> And the second question....how is puppetry impacting?
> 
> Again- I don't want some hobbiest answer of "it makes a child cry" I want to
> know your thots about its impact. Socially?? Does it change the way theatre
> is done? Can an adult audience appreciate it more or less? Does it take more
> technology to make that so?
> 
> Lets talk THAT... Im very interested in everyone's professional thots
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> On 2/21/08 2:35 PM, "Alan Cook" wrote:
> 
>> Hey Tim---if you want a "serious answer" you also need to recognize it as
>> such. Risk is in the eye of the risker. What is risky for one of sheltered
>> background is not risky for an adventurous soul. "Risk" is a very relative
>> term.
>> 
>> Your original question did not say ANYTHING about grants. There is no risk in
>> applying for a grant, but you have to look at it from the grantor's viewpoint
>> (often very limited outlook and non-risky).
>> 
>> Also, is the project defned by the grantor, and if so would you be interested
>> in spending time on it?
>> 
>> Also consider doing whatever it takes to get a first grant so you have
>> something to build on. Often grantors will accept supplemental material
>> (newspaper/magazine coverage, CDs, DVDs, etc.) which indicate you have
>> qualifications. All too often the perameters of a specific grant are too
>> limiting for puppeteers.
>> 
>> ALAN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The Puppetry Arts Theatre
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:34 AM
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] The risk of it all...
>> 
>> That answer does not award you a grant.
>> If u wanna take it serious, answer the question.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/21/08 12:24 PM, "Alan Cook" wrote:
>> 
>>> Risk is relative.
>>> 
>>> Why did the chicken cross the road? For the excitement of the risk factor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: The Puppetry Arts Theatre
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:49 AM
>>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>>> Subject: [Puptcrit] The risk of it all...
>>> 
>>> Two questions for you puppet lovers out there...
>>> 
>>> This is in reference to THEATRE- NOT children's theatre, not movies or TV.
>>> 
>>> 1- how is using puppetry pioneering or risk taking in today's traditional
>>> theatre? Does it push boundaries?
>>> 
>>> 2- how is using puppetry in today's traditional theatre Impacting to an
>>> audience?
>>> 
>>> Im interested in anyone's thots.....
>>> 
>>> Tim 
>>> www.puppetryarts.org
>>> 
>>> 
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