From: "Mark S. Segal" <segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net>
To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:12:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] The risk of it all...


I believe,
Theatre is an art form of communication.....
Successful theatre (big, small, accessible to the many or only to the few - 
tony award candidates or not) is an art of communicating effectively...
at least to some....
Tim....the only thing you have been communicating to me reading your posts 
is hostility ....and a point of view that you want supported - (whatever 
that flippant seeming, point of view really is).
also an inability to actually spell out words.

>From your posts I get the idea that you are not really interested in 
theatre......

(I don't get insulted too easily - but I find your posts to be so - 
insulting)

At least you have created a lot of traffic on puptcrit.....

When you want to have a serious REAL discussion there are (accomplished) 
people on this list who are willing (and very capable) to do that.


Mark S.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Puppetry Arts Theatre" <info-AT-puppetryarts.org>
To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] The risk of it all...


> How did we move from my two questions to the give or take of legitimate
> theatre.
>
> Theatre- is theatre, puppetry or not. But what I am referring to is that I
> want my questions to be directed away from our type of small theatres and
> pointed to something more professional, bigger, and on a grander scale.
>
> Yes yes your marionette and hand puppetry shows are legitimate theatre, 
> but
> ur not winning a tony any time soon. So I would like my questions to be
> directed to those type of productions of legitimate theatre and how they 
> use
> puppetry today.
>
> How is puppetry pioneering or risk taking- pushing boundaries in today's
> theatre?
> How is it impacting if at all?
>
> You guys are getting wrapped up in the wrong direction and trying to 
> defend
> yourselves and ur not- for lack of a better term- listening!
>
>
>
> On 2/21/08 6:04 PM, "Trudi Cohen" <trudico-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ouch!
>> What is the great power of legitimacy?  And who gets to decide what is
>> legitimate and what is illegitimate?
>>
>> I believe in theater that has power because it has something to say and 
>> says
>> it with artistry and skill.  I believe in theater that inspires people to
>> think differently.  I believe that theater does not gain legitimacy from 
>> its
>> venue, its cost, or its size.  It gains legitimacy from its ability to 
>> touch
>> hearts and minds.
>>
>> I think puppet theater is more potent, on the whole, than actors theater.
>> I think that these days puppets are often used in "legitimate staged
>> theater" as decoration, rendering them virtually powerless.
>> I think that theater that talks down to an imagined level where children
>> supposedly reside compromises the children's brains and the art itself.
>>
>> Viva la puppet!
>>
>> Trudi Cohen
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/08, The Puppetry Arts Theatre <info-AT-puppetryarts.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not puppet theatre. Im not talking puppet theatre- I said legitimate
>>> staged
>>> theatre where puppetry is used. Not a small marionette puppet theatre, 
>>> not
>>> a
>>> little black box... Legitimate theatre.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/21/08 5:44 PM, "Liz Evans" <liz-AT-etherboy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Right here is a problem.
>>>>> Its referring to legitimate theatre and its use of legitimate, not
>>> stand
>>>>> behind a table or lean over with strings puppets.
>>>>
>>>> Puppetry is legitimate theatre.  And there are many adult style
>>>> performances that are performed with Puppeteers in view.  Performances
>>>> that can simply leave you in tears or wonderment.
>>>>
>>>> I think the first thing you really should look at IS your perspective
>>>> on why you would think that just because a puppeteer is visible that
>>>> it is not legitimate theatre.
>>>>
>>>> My point being, I wonder at any Professional puppeteer who would
>>>> ever make the statement that very legitimate forms of puppetry
>>>> (Table top and Marionettes) are not legitimate theatre.
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>> K. Elizabeth Evans, President & Artistic Director
>>>> Renaissance Artist Puppet Company
>>>> http://www.RenArtPuppetCo.com
>>>> 610-630-4259
>>>> Company performing -AT-
>>>> The Montgomery County Cultural Center
>>>> 208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA
>>>>
>>>> Renaissance Artist Puppet Company's
>>>> mission is to promote excellence in puppetry as a
>>>> Theatrical art form and as an Educational tool by incorporating
>>>> historical and cultural diversity along with quality performance
>>>> techniques to tell our stories.
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