From: "Kismet" <kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:04:13 +1000 Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Can Horrendous be Appealing and Efficient? We often ship in a 10 pound bag or two of mixed bones from Bucky's Boneyard, usually includes a skull or two....... Now Von Hagens work The Body Worlds, is hardly an anatomically study, rather an impressionistic intepretion defined by the vaguries of the method...For educational purposes? You'd end up with a perverse sense of anatomy if you took those cadavers literally.... you were probable laughing so much you didnt notice this when you were at the exhibition....I did.....Havent seen the autopsy film but apparently it was done as a performance rather than a scientific process. Zhy Yu is a canibal artist...ohhh DUH! He eats human flesh...the baby was only one of the more controversial acts.....others in this genre include Sun Yu An, Peng Yu, Cai Yuan, JJxi (who made penis wine to serve to critics) I guess Jane Goodall who ate a less than recently deceased cat on the steps of the NSW Art Gallery could be included...even if only because I was in the audience. John Duncan sexually obsessed? again DUH! The point of the performance, which concluded with a public vasectomy is his concern, as a victim of child sexual abuse, that he may be an offender. If you dont understand the semiotics involved in the performance you may do better sticking to kiddy shows........ Apparently a number of so called "christian" churches perform a ritual where they recreate the last supper and use the symbolism of the bread and wine as a mettaphor or transignification for Christs Body and blood being shed for redemption....what is refered to as a calvanist theological view...Now you were so busy sniggering in your ignorance to notice that I referred to the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH (and I include many of the orthodox churches that also adhere to the synoptic gospels) that have a PROFESSED belief that through the eucharistic liturgy the bread and the wine DO TURN (through a process termed "transubstantiation") into the ACTUAL body and the blood of Christ....They DO NOT believe that this is a mettaphor but a God Given Blessed Sacrement. This was reaffirmed by the vatican in 1965 and remains part of the Catechism to this day...ipso facto a Roman Catholic believes that they are participating in a cannibalistic ritual....... So next time, before you go rolling on the floor in some fit of epileptic seizure, try to get the facts right...what was the saying? I wise man closes his mouth and keeps people guessing....a fool opens their mouth and proves it? ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caro Stewart" <papusi_marionete-AT-yahoo.com> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Can Horrendous be Appealing and Efficient? > My friend, although I know you weren't joking, you should have. I find it > amusing to the point of breaking down laughing when someone tries to > justify the use of something as grotesque as our friend in Montreal has > suggested, by giving examples of even more grotesque and even gross > things. > > Von Hagens is an anatomist and his work is displayed in museums for > educational purposes. As for John Duncan, I got that he is a sexually > obsessed individual from what I've just read and Zhu Yu a cannibal; both > FBI and Scotland Yard investigated the "human fetus eating" thing. Others > say that Zhu Yu cooked and ate a duck. The truth is not known. > > As far as the catholics "eating" the flesh of Christ and "drinking" his > blood is concerned, please have mercy! Don't make me roll on the floor > laughing hysterically. Do I really need to explain the term - metaphor? > > Caro > > Kismet <kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au> wrote: Deranged???? Whats deranged about a > clean skull being used in theatre? Von > Hagens used 30 real cadavers in "Body Worlds" and performed a public > autopsy > on one as a perormance piece in 2002, Zhu Yu consumed a deceased baby in > the > London performance of "Beijing Swings" in 2003, while John Duncan had > penetrative sex with with a female cadever in Mexico 1980 as a performance > piece. OF course then there is Ryo Yoshida who ALLEGEDLY uses real human > tissue and skin in the creation of his dolls and puppets...have a look at > these two links and see what you think......... > http://pygmalion.mda.or.jp/ > and http://www.moblog.com.sg/spi/blog.as...1-8219260D33BA > (Warning....Contains sexually implicit material!!!) > So the use of a clean skull, though off putting, isnt so deranged as all > that! > (and remember that Roman Catholics still believe that they are eating the > flesh and drinking the blood of Christ) > Just something to put Easter into focus :-) > > D. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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