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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:09:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] politics

 When is an artistic activity Art? All Art is not even Art, let alone
Political. Much Art is Religious too.
Some artistic activities are blatantly political (B & P), some are
religious. I used to think B and P was a religious experience because there
was a clear catharsis or transcendence at the end. I tend to group this
Religious aspect with the Art aspect, but not to the Political part. It
depends what the objective is.
We look with distain upon the Bush admin. because they had a POV and went on
to implement that.
They plowed ahead in spite of opposition. Bread and puppet may be doing the
same thing. Plowing on ahead in spite of .....
But I also think B and P to be a type of Propaganda, one that is not always
welcome, nor objective.
They usually preach to the choir (I'm in that choir). I wish they would
learn from this ordeal, because it appears that they want to enlarge their
scope if they venture into the schools.
     I like to think that Art transcends Politics and Religion, yet can be
both political and religious.
I also think i better get to work.
Steven Barr

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Alan Cook <> wrote:

> An essential for "good politics" is fair play & honesty, and an explanation
> of what "bad politics" does to its victims.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hobey Ford
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:07 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] politics
> There are ways of speaking things political without being perceived as
> such.  Ways of speaking the truth in a way that no one can take
> offense.  These are sometimes the most powerful ways, entering the
> city like a trojen horse. They never knew what hit them.  You get nice
> letters.
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM,  <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm sure this argument has been advanced before, but it bears
> > repetition in the context of this thread.
> >
> > All Art is political.____________________________________________
> > I totally agree with that, and in fact find it hard to grasp what
> unbiased literature looks like as opposed to editorializing or persuasive
> writing.  Even story is persuasive and seeks to express a world view; story,
> like all art, also unconsciously expresses fundamental assumptions and
> values and alignment (or lack of) with the surrounding environment.  We
> usually don't recognize this easily unless it is the product of a different
> culture or a different time period, we are seeped in our own time and
> culture-kind of like we don't hear the music of the stars because we have
> always heard the music of the stars.
> > As a non-tv watcher (so it is out of my culture, out of my time), when I
> see one I am overwhelmed with shock and laughter.
> > One thing I am surprised hasn't been mentioned regarding B&P is the type
> of political bias that IS acceptable for youth of all ages in any kind of
> art and every setting.   A narrow definition of patriotism is
> acceptable/encouraged in our school system and a pro-war show would not be
> questioned out loud by the most liberal viewers.
> > I think having coca-cola machines in a school building is a political
> act.
> >  Gina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - moynihan
> >
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