File puptcrit/puptcrit.0811, message 286


To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:53:53 -0600
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] ART OR NOT ART?


So very many ways, I think it is a good question for everyone here who  
wants to discuss it.

In the USA and elsewhere our economy is based on scarcity,  
accumulation, debt, private ownership, fear, force, exploitation...

So a Gift Economy would be the opposite of what now burdens us.

Plenty, dispersion (the gift must move), profit, common ownership,  
courage, peace, equality...?

- m

On Nov 18, 2008, at 6:06 AM, puppetpro-AT-aol.com wrote:

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> Michael,
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> This sounds wonderful -- wish I could have seen it.
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> Based upon your experience, how might a gift economy change how we  
> live and act?
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> Rolande
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Moynihan <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 1:07 am
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] ART OR NOT ART?
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> I encountered Hyde's THE GIFT in an issue of Stewert Brand's
> CoEvolution Quarterly.
> It led me to create a production based not on his words but on the
> idea of how a gift economy might change how we live and act. It had a
> live band, actors in full head masks playing characters who were also
> represented by small rod puppets sometimes moving from the little
> puppet actors in one scene to the masked actors in the next, and
> sometimes the actors and the puppets and actors acting doing the same
> scene simultaneously. The performers were multi racial and bilingual
> mimes, dancers, musicians and singers. The mask/puppet designer/
> builder was dealing with Bipolar Disorder, several other in the
> company had various forms of mental illness (I am obsessive
> compulsive). The show had a free to the public outdoor summer run and
> then was adapted to a large indoor auditorium. The indoor shows added
> a large video screen with the small puppets plus animated sequences.
> Big fun.
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> - moynihan
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> On Nov 17, 2008, at 8:35 AM, puppetpro-AT-aol.com wrote:
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>> Excellent. I hadn't seen this piece, though I've read Hyde's
>> 20Trickster book. Now I've got to read "The Gift"...
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>> In the course of writing =93The Gift,=94 Hyde underwent an intellectual
>> transformation on this subject. He began the work believing there
>> was =93an irreconcilable conflict=94 between gift exchange and the
>> market; the enduring (if not necessarily the happy) artist was the
>> one who most successfully fended off commercial demands. By the time
>> he was finished, Hyde had come to a less-dogmatic conclusion. It was
>> still true, he believed, that the marketplace could destroy an
>> artist=92s gift, but it was equally true that the marketplace wasn=92t
>> going anywhere; it had always existed, and it always would. The key
>> was to find a good way to reconcile the two economies.
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>> ----Rolande
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>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Moynihan <mmoynihan-AT-wi.rr.com>
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:40 pm
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