From: Fred Greenspan <greenspan-AT-earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:23:04 -0400
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] A marionete is a marionette is a marionette


I've taken to calling them "rod-marionettes," in order to distinguish  
them from the better known all string version, when offering a  
detailed description of my compact table top show that utilizes them.  
In shorter descriptions I just call them "Italian marionettes." I  
enjoy performing with them because they move with the sponteneity of  
hand puppets.

Fred Greenspan - Traditional Puppeteer
Ossining, New York
http://www.traditionalpuppetry.com
Punch & Judy, Italian marionettes, flea circus

On Nov 1, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Alan Cook wrote:

> As long as the puppet is SUSPENDED, I think "marionette" will do  
> just fine as a name for the type of puppet, as it already has for a  
> rather long time.
>
> And for Macy Balloons (and their derivatives) "upside down  
> marionette" works for me. Bob Bromley's famous trapeze clown  
> marionette was operated from below, by means of pullies which were  
> above the actual puppet. All of Bob's other marionttes were  
> operated in the cnventional mode.
>
> Sometimes we worry  too much about unimportant things, at a time  
> when there is plenty to really worry about.
>
> ALAN COOK.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Barr
> Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:24 AM
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] you tube Hamlet
>
> I think one can name our instruments anything we like.
> Sisslian puppets, why not, but what do they call the style in Sicily?
> Czech puppets, how do they call them in Prague.
> Standardized names are for the PR people and mass market, but I  
> name those
> "Ghost" puppets of mine-- "Sergin2". Some of you have seen them.  
> They have a
> "motor" rod-- one that holds the weight of the puppet-- but instead  
> of it
> being in the head, it is in the back or top of the collarbone. That  
> frees
> the head to have 2 strings to allow a much more ethereal head  
> movement--
> which Eugene prefers-- yet retain the quick body locomotion with no
> wiggles-- that I like. My years with my hands inside the hand or glove
> puppets have tilted me towards a preference to fast movement.
> cheers,
> Steven R-B
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Hobey Ford <hobeyone-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sissilian marionettes?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Steven Barr <lapuppet-AT-gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> These Rod in Head are the original marionettes- String Puppets. They
>> later
>>> put stings on the heads to get more subtle  head movements but it  
>>> slowed
>> the
>>> overall walk--- and projected puppetry into the modern  
>>> marionnette that
>> is
>>> very limited in its movements. The Rod in the head allows an  
>>> immediate
>>> movement-- and it is very cool. More primative but cool. The  
>>> French call
>> it
>>> a marionnette a tringle  as opposed to marionnette a fils (string
>> puppet). I
>>> don't know if it should be named here in America so it doesn't  
>>> become a
>>> "type". Because it belongs to that Hybrid Family of Puppets which  
>>> defy
>>> labels and lean on invention and proto-type. I love this style of  
>>> Puppet.
>>> Check out the film trailer at: www.classicsinminiature.com
>>> and see them used in a stylized film.
>>> cool,
>>> steven Ritz- Barr
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Mathieu Ren=EF=BF=BD  
>>> <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very cool puppets, who made them?
>>>>
>>>> Cool movements! Who performed them?
>>>>
>>>> I love the wide movements of dances and chases!
>>>> Makes me want to build this type of puppet.
>>>> What's the official name of the rod-in-head with strings? For  
>>>> now, I
>> heard
>>>> a
>>>> lot of people call them czech puppets, but it's probably a vague
>>>> designation. Czechs must build all sorts of puppets!
>>>>
>>>> The performing possibilities and the sturdyness are very  
>>>> appealing to
>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Cool shots.
>>>> Were they filmed at the indoor carroussel on Water street in  
>>>> Brooklyn,
>>>> almost under the bridge?
>>>> I happened to walk there while on my trip last week-end. Cool  
>>>> place!
>>>>
>>>> I think I exceeded my daily usage quota of the word "cool".
>>>> But I'm cool with that.
>>>>
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>>> -Dr. Kathie Folie, Univ. of Cal, Santa Cruz Theatre Chair and  
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