File puptcrit/puptcrit.0811, message 462

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:07:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Gift Economy / Spaceship Earth / Generosity

Hi Artie,
I have not read about the gift economy accept in this thread.  I  have
a mortgage, a kid in college and though i complain about capitalism
for its abuses,  I am in the system and am thankful for my paychecks.
 I actually don't give away shows very often, as my doctor, banker and
the rest don't work for free either, but I try to be generous none the
less.  I lived in a utopian native American community on the Nevada
desert for two years when I turned 19 and finally left because the the
talk and the walk didn't synch.   I am of the school that we won't get
there unless we get there together.  I am thankful about Obama's
election because he will hopefully lead us together a notch or two
closer to a better world.  We'll see.

My father who worked on Wall St, was a volunteer fireman by night and
holiday.  We would often jump in the car with him and thought it was
great fun until a house fire one night that brought the reality of
what he did a little closer.  My hats off to you.  Thanks for what you
have done.

I am fortunate to have the career I have and am thankful that it has
provided for my family.  I used to complain about my job when the kids
were little and my wife Sue had the brunt of raising kids while I was
on the road.  They are out of the nest now.  Now I realize how lucky I
have been.  To get to do this work is a privledge.

Also thankful for our world community of puppeteers, for those who
have shared their knowledge and passed it on and been generous with
their time.

Happy Thanksgiving!

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Arthur H. Poore <> wrote:
> Hello Hobey,
> I am a long time puppeteer, and a recent fan of yours.
>      My policy is generosity too, so  is that the same thing as
> practicing gift economy?
> I understand being generous of spirit, doing many free-o's, being a
> support to others, and materially generous.  Hey ... do you need
> anything??
> And I do this whenever possible too.
> I understand helping others without hesitation, to life and death, and
> without even knowing those many people.
> FDNY 23 yrs. goes beyond payday, on and off duty, for life. We never
> expected anything back for saving someone, their mother or their son.
> And yes we got paid, but I don't know anyone who signs up for the pay.
> Under the heel of the Baron Rudolph Giuliani, curse him, Firefighters
> got zero's through 5 years of contract negotiations, Ronny Rayguns
> tried to end all unions, ( 9% of US workers are now unionized down
> from 34 %), and a new firefighter with 4 children  is eligible for
> food stamps. I never saw that change the way New York City
> Firefighters performed their daily work. We expected nothing in
> return, and that is just what we got. in addition to reduced vacation,
> loss of personal leave day, blood day, OT benefits, no COLA, firehouse
> closings, reduced manning, Faulty 1967 radios responsible for hundreds
> of Firefighters deaths on 9/11, Bitter? maybe ... BUT,  We never
> expected anything other than anyone else doing their job.
> I also never missed a performance, except during a rare ice storm last
> year because of which I could not get out of my driveway let alone to
> Goat on a Boat theater in Sag Harbor.
> In puppetry I am so much more into the Art end of things than the
> business end, that I do not think of my shows or films or puppets in
> terms of money.
> I have used puppetry to balance this wacky world since 1959. semi-pro
> for the last 20 , since 1989.
> Always try to do the right thing.
> I think we agree here.
> I am totally into the mind-set;
> be generous whenever possible.
> To be a big help is very fulfilling, and yet I do agree Small things
> do matter.
> I feel and act this way, no matter what comes back around, and more
> often than not ... nothing does.
> It does not daunt me, I shall remain generous, and gifty in the Big
> and the Little.
> But , I say humbly that I will never expect anything back, nor is it a
> motivating factor, when being said generous.
> So .. I am undecided although doubtful of a working gift economy.
> Still Friends?
> Hey ... What do you need?
> Thanks for responding ... I was expecting a barrage back after the
> length of thread.
> Yours in Generosity
> Art
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