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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppet controversy


I can totally relate to the problems described about the mean & intolerant 
people.
I'm dealing with a big controversy at my job after bringing in Bread and 
Puppet's family show.
The article is here 
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081031/ARTICLES/810310247
and if you search "bread and puppet" on the newspaper website, you'll see 
the letters written to the newspaper.  My favorite letter to the editor is 
"Stop the Puppets!" 
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081101/LETTERS/811012994

The letters sent directly to me have been overwhelmingly positive and 
supportive.  What amazes me is how one complaint can undermine years of 
work.

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>   1. Axtell Puppet Contest - we extended the deadline (STEVE AXTELL)
>   2. Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open to all college
>      undergraduates, Summer 2009 (Yvette Edery)
>   3. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
>   4. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mathieu Ren?)
>   5. Re: Why are people so mean? (Ken Berman)
>   6. Axtell contest help (Tim Barnes)
>   7. Re: Why are people so mean? (Elizabeth Freeman)
>   8. Why are people so mean (John Dudley)
>   9. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
>  10. Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia / UK (STEVE AXTELL)
>  11. Re: Why are people so mean (Puppet People)
>  12. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mary Horsley)
>  13. pto/staff (Elizabeth Freeman)
>  14. puppets making a difference in schools (Elizabeth Freeman)
>  15. Re: Why are people so mean (Alan Cook)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:14 -0800
> From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell Puppet Contest - we extended the deadline
> To: steve-AT-axtell.com
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> We received so many emails from folks that just
> haven't had enough time to finish their videos,
> so we will extend it from Nov 15.....to midnight November 30th.
>
> Winning ventriloquists will be invited by Terry
> Fator to appear on stage at his new show in Las
> Vegas!     Winning puppeteers and video producers
> will have their videos features on top puppet
> related sites around the world.
>
> More info at http://www.axtell.com/puppetvid.html
>
> Ax
>
>
>
>
> Steve Axtell
> Axtell Expressions, Inc.
>  http://www.axtell.com
> ****************************************
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:04:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Yvette Edery <art_goo-AT-yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open to all college
> undergraduates, Summer 2009
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> Dear Puptcritters and friends,
>
> Thank you to everyone who replied regarding the glowing eyes, I will let 
> you know how my experiments come!
>
> Also, it is my pleasure, and honor, to announce NYU will be opening the 
> doors to their summer abroad campus in Dublin, Ireland, this next July 
> through August, for a six week intensive puppetry performance course, 
> guest taught by Ireland's finest puppeteers and builders. The course will 
> take place in the Temple Bar area and students from any university can 
> apply! The Irish arts scene is undergoing a complete revolution and many 
> of the underground puppetry companies are now emerging as the face of the 
> new Irish arts, along with circus companies and street performers. This is 
> incredibly exciting and the course is going to cover puppetry through the 
> lens of Irish Arts and Culture, foremost through fantasy and the 
> possibilities unique only to puppets. Please click on the link below to 
> read about the course, see the application, and some pictures, although 
> more are coming!
>
> http://specialprograms.tisch.nyu.edu/object/SPC_PuppetryIreland.html
>
> Please send this on to anyone you think would be interested and if you are 
> enrolled in a university, please apply! The summer is going to be 
> incredible.
>
> Sincerely my best,
> Yvette Edery
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
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>
> Hi All;
>    Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a great
> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in the
> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>    To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new president
> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy and
> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like 
> out
> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great and
> we had 2 awesome shows.
>    So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was 
> "too
> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>    Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny, it's
> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that 
> word.
> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>    I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>
> Bye
> \Mark The Puppet people
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:26:19 -0500
> From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Message-ID: <5748B82C84BC4CC7BCC646D148861C7B-AT-critter1>
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>
> Hi Mark.
> Sorry you went through that ordeal.
>
> I hate it when people do that.
> It's stupid, it's unfair, and it's uncalled for. Yet, they do it.
> And what can we do about it, especially when we are hired for a gig?
>
> The worst part, is that we often feel we can't do a thing about it, for 
> fear
> of aggravating the situation, or bringing about more grief, and perhaps 
> even
> lose a future contract.  Still sometimes I think we should tell it to 
> their
> face, because if nobody stops them in their tracks, these people will keep
> up that pattern and it will get worse. Bullies! Can't live with them,
> period!
>
> Can we share some ways of dealing with such behaviors and people?
> I'm very curious about what different people do (or wish they could do).
> The examples can be interesting wether they really happened or if they are
> just "emergency plans".
>
>
> My contribution:
>
> And at least, when we do say something, we get the satisfaction of having
> had the guts to put them in their place. Of a usually accomodating nature
> myself, I remember fondly the one time I gave a "moral speech" to a 
> despotic
> employer, right after giving my resignation, which was my reply to a
> particularly nasty insult. I was unstoppable, my voice was clear, I was
> polite and I didn't raise my tone. She was so flabbergasted her jaw was
> frozen open, speechless for 20 minutes. Nobody talks to her that way, 
> she's
> mean and scary. That single moment in time is a shining beacon for me, as 
> at
> that moment, I proved that "enough is enough". I never let anyone bully me
> in any workplace after that. When I visited the store again some months
> later, she greeted me with all the curtesy befitting a king, and showed me
> around the improvements made to the store. She hadn't changed. Still the
> despotic two-faced bully that can appear like a civilized person.
>
> A local colleague just had such a parasite attack her today. It was a very
> stupid and unreasonnable complaint, yet it was so vehement and sudden, in
> such an inappropriate moment , that she was taken aback and it hurt her
> deeply enough to make her cry. In normal times, she would have put that 
> diva
> woman right back in her place, but she was caught by surpise and shock. My
> colleague is a loving and giving person, who doesn't deserve to be treated
> that way.
>
> My belief is that those people who attack find some kind of nasty sadistic
> pleasure in it, or maybe some sort of temporary boost from their
> self-loathing nature. Whatever it may be, whatever their background, there
> are NO attenuating circumstances in their defense. They are wrong. They
> decide to act thus, and they should face the consequences. Bullies come in
> many forms, and they rarely stop being bullies by their own volition.
> We should show no tolerance. From the start.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:13:57 +0000
> From: Ken Berman <dramatontheater-AT-hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU128-W50C0889E3163D90B19150ABA180-AT-phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> My immediate thought is that perhaps they confused the word "nincompoop" 
> and "pickaninny", which I have seen someone do recently and the speaker 
> was utterly confused by the listener's mistake.   Or perhaps they just did 
> not like the word "poop"...I like that word though.
>
> Ken Berman
>
> Dramaton Theater
>
>
>
>> From: puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>>
>> Hi All;
>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a great
>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in the
>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new 
>> president
>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy and
>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like 
>> out
>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great 
>> and
>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was 
>> "too
>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny, 
>> it's
>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that 
>> word.
>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>
>> Bye
>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:02:00 -0800
> From: "Tim Barnes" <timbarnespuppeteer-AT-mail.com>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell contest help
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:42:49 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am like me watching
> so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
> Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty was tired but happy.
> No excuse for rudeness.
>
> liz in MA
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a
> great
> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in
> the
> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
> president
> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy
> and
> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted
> like out
> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were
> great and
> we had 2 awesome shows.
>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard
> was "too
> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as
> funny, it's
> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with
> that word.
> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>
> Bye
> \Mark The Puppet people
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:50:57 +0000
> From: John Dudley <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Message-ID: <AAE1BACE-A512-4FAA-A21F-F7D030A5C759-AT-telepuppets.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>
> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
> Dictionary.[3]
>
> John Dudley
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0500
> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Message-ID: <000c01c941ae$d6cddb60$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi All;
>    Thanks Mathuieu, Ken & Liz for your comments it does make me fell
> better. As for Liz's question about which state we were in, we were in
> Massachusetts, so we were very suprised.
>    As for our reaction to the e-mail we did what we always do, we thanked
> the sponser for her comments, said we would take it under advisement, told
> her that we would still love to come back and we hope to here from her
> again. And also that to us the kids had a wonderful time, they got excited
> about puppetry and they were a great audience. Anyway it seemed to work
> since they do want us back.
>    Mostly I think that there was no direct conversation between the school
> and the PTA about our program. The school never got our study guides, 
> never
> prepared for our visit and some of the teachers just didn't want to change
> their schedule. This type of confusion does seem to happen more and more 
> in
> states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
>    Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
>
> Mark
> The puppet people
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Freeman" <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>
>
>> Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am like me watching
>> so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
>> Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty was tired but happy.
>> No excuse for rudeness.
>>
>> liz in MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
>>
>> Hi All;
>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a
>> great
>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in
>> the
>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
>> president
>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy
>> and
>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted
>> like out
>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were
>> great and
>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard
>> was "too
>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as
>> funny, it's
>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with
>> that word.
>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>
>> Bye
>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:39:55 -0800
> From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia / UK
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Message-ID: <mailman.95.1226155676.7611.puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> Interesting article from a presentation made by Penny Francis.
>
> http://www.theatre.lv/new/en/index.php?parent=215
>
> "Why has puppetry become so widely used and
> studied in the last 20 years? What makes for good
> production? What are the criteria for the reviewer?
> Presented during the Homo Alibi festival, August 27, 2008
>
>
> INTRODUCTION
> Puppetry?s rise to the mainstream in theatre can
> be mainly attributed to the rise or the return of
> the public?s interest in a theatre that offers as
> much visual and musical enjoyment as verbal. It
> may be termed a ?Total Theatre? since it draws on
> a plurality of performance disciplines and resources.
>
> ?According to Mario Kotliar, an Israeli writer,
> theatre has reached the stage of "open
> composition", in which verbal communication no
> longer possesses the pre-eminence it had in the
> past. Words have lost their evocative power and
> precision, and the realistic and psychological
> conception of drama obtaining hitherto no longer
> suffices. The viewer s purely personal reaction
> is far more significant than formerly. He
> responds to "image", and the contemporary
> artist/director will aim to convey his meaning through form....."
>
>
>
> Steve Axtell
> Axtell Expressions, Inc.
>  http://www.axtell.com
> ****************************************
> Amazing Puppets & Magic
>
>
> The original content of this email or attachment is ? Axtell Expressions, 
> Inc.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:09 -0500
> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Message-ID: <001f01c941b5$7ccbd930$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Thanks  John:
>    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of saying "stupid". I
> always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a funny way, 
> demonstrating
> the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your bones but words will 
> never
> hurt".
>    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we let these comments
> get to us. We have been performing puppet show for over 15 years now and I
> can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of shows with 5 bad
> comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with that it still gets to 
> me.
> I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an opportunity to rethink 
> a
> show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
>
> Thanks again
> Mark The Puppet People
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Dudley" <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>
>
>> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>>
>> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>>
>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
>> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
>> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
>> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
>> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
>> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
>> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
>> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
>> Dictionary.[3]
>>
>> John Dudley
>> _______________________________________________
>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:41:01 -0500
> From: Mary  Horsley <mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
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> Oh, Mark, I hear you! Yesterday, I got kind of mad because I was one of 
> the
> first ones to sign up for extended day ( a little extra money there) and I
> didn't get picked. So I complained to the principal, and the teacher in
> charge reluctantly put me on. I told them bluntly that if they were smart
> they would give these kids enrichment afternoon activities such as 
> puppetry
> and how I had over 20 years teaching puppetry. She then said well maybe 
> the
> k-2 kids would like puppets. I promptly reminded her that the older kids
> could really benefit from puppetry and that puppets weren't just for two
> year olds.
>
> Then she said maybe some of these puppeteers could VOLUNTEER at our 
> school.
> I reminded her how she didn't volunteer but got a paycheck......geez, so 
> do
> puppeteers!!! They deserve a paycheck too!!
>
> Made me a bit angry.....
>
> Mary H.
>
>
> On 11/7/08 10:33 PM, "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All;
>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a great
>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in the
>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new 
>> president
>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy and
>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like 
>> out
>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great 
>> and
>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was 
>> "too
>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny, 
>> it's
>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that 
>> word.
>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>
>> Bye
>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>
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>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:43:36 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] pto/staff
> To: Puptcrit <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
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> Must help that our school has NO PTO, we are too poor!
>
> "some of the teachers just didn't want to change their schedule."  I
> can relate to that,  we usually are happy to have  a
> change for a program,  but lately with state mandated tests,  and a
> variety of teacher/staff changes for this and that,
> it seems we haven't had one straight week to cover all the mandated
> material.
>
> As the sped teacher I was asked to give one girl extra reading time
> for a half hour after lunch,  this week I saw her twice as they had a
> program from the Lowell mills one day, school elections the next, and
> a math bee on Friday.    The extra math class met three times out of
> 5 due to a new geography class and something else the homeroom
> teacher wanted them for.   Of course, if they had given me a heads up
> I could have used the time more efficiently instead of setting up for
> them and waiting for their arrival.
>
>   We are all suppose to be at a certain point in the math curriculum
> and turn in the kids' scores on benchmark tests,  as well as which
> unit/story in the reading book and turn in those scores,   kids ready
> or not.
>
> On the other hand yesterday, I was asked to book a field trip to
> Puppet Showplace for two classes in my building.
> a good thing!       liz
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> Date: November 8, 2008 9:32:33 AM EST
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> Reply-To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>
> Hi All;
>         Mostly I think that there was no direct conversation between
> the school
> and the PTA about our program. The school never got our study guides,
> never
> prepared for our visit and This type of confusion does seem to happen
> more and more in
> states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
>     Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
>
> Mark
> The puppet people
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] puppets making a difference in schools
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> Last week after the school's Halloween parade, there was a young man,
> 25ish visiting the classroom next door.
>
> They asked me if I remembered him,    when they told me his name,  I
> did right away and told him to stop into my classroom.
>
> I went back and grabbed out of an old photograph book two photos of
> him from second and fourth grades and a
>
> short report he had written to give him from the early 90s.
>
> He asked if I still did puppets with the class and I waved at the
> corner behind him where the puppet stage is....
>
> He went over and picked out the puppets he remembered and knew which
> ones had not been there back then!
>
>
> This week I was over in that area with a second grader who picked up
> one of the puppets and asked if he'd learn how to make that kind.  I
> realized that that particular one had been made by his aunt about ten
> years ago so I asked him to return it to her.
> The next day he described her reaction and the family's in great
> detail!  After they all got over their shock at seeing it again,
> it was placed on a high shelf of honor to be treasured!
>
>
> This week also a third grader having a difficult time understanding a
> story, got it, when I pulled out a few puppets and we acted out the
> story together.  The light bulb went on.         The 4th graders are
> also petitioning me to work with them more soon,  so I'm making deals
> with them about homework completion etc....
>
> liz
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:57:47 GMT
> From: "Alan Cook" <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> Mark-
>
> IF you WERE Shakespear, you could correctly spell your name 26 different 
> ways.
> And even he had his critics.
>
> We are living in difficult times. For the past 8 years we have had an 
> Administration in Washington, which as a matter of policy "has not played 
> well with others". You got a bit of "trickle down" from that.
> It has been called "hard ball" and had oher eupjemisms as well, but is 
> just plain bad and unfair to the people.
>
> No surprise that the Economy has gone sour along with everything else. You 
> get hit with a hard ball, it hurts.
>
> When things are not going well, some people take it out on others, instead 
> of making changes for the better,
>
> It is very possible that someone at that school screwed up by not telling 
> the staff of your scheduled arrival---without preparation, it could have 
> affected teaching plans or maybe they were just grumpy after a long 
> political campaign, much of which still played on fears and blatant lies 
> which don't put people in good moods.
>
> Carroll Spinney once made a visit to a school--I think it could have been 
> a freebie---the Principal royally screwed up on the date---gave Carroll 
> ONE date and told the staff and students it was another, then when Carroll 
> did not show up, "it was HIS fault"---news of the "poor disappointed 
> children" hit newspapers across America. The Principal made no effort to 
> correct the news reports.
>
> Not all schools are in the best of hands anymore than all governments are.
>
> If you've had only 5 problems like this, count yourself lucky.
>
> When you are not prepared in advance for a negative experience, it can be 
> very unsettling.
>
> Yesterday's Los Angeles Times' front page (lower right corner) had an 
> article by Diane Haithman with  the heading:
>
> The economic picture isn't pretty for the arts
>
>
> and the text warns "It can't be business as usual for the next several 
> years".The article then lists many examples of cutbacks at local symphony, 
> museum and other cultural/artistic groups.
>
> Now you can really be upset.
>
> ALAN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Puppet People
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 7:20 AM
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>
> Thanks  John:
>    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of saying "stupid". I
> always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a funny way, 
> demonstrating
> the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your bones but words will 
> never
> hurt".
>    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we let these comments
> get to us. We have been performing puppet show for over 15 years now and I
> can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of shows with 5 bad
> comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with that it still gets to 
> me.
> I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an opportunity to rethink 
> a
> show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
>
> Thanks again
> Mark The Puppet People
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Dudley" <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>
>
>> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>>
>> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>>
>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
>> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
>> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
>> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
>> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
>> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
>> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
>> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
>> Dictionary.[3]
>>
>> John Dudley
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