File puptcrit/puptcrit.0811, message 92


Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:40:31 -0800 (PST)
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Puppet controversy


That letter is fabulous. I'm assuming it's meant to be ironic, 'cause if it's not those people need some therapy.


--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Gina Gambony <ginagambony-AT-bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Gina Gambony <ginagambony-AT-bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppet controversy
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:28 PM
> I can totally relate to the problems described about the
> mean & intolerant 
> people.
> I'm dealing with a big controversy at my job after
> bringing in Bread and 
> Puppet's family show.
> The article is here 
> http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081031/ARTICLES/810310247
> and if you search "bread and puppet" on the
> newspaper website, you'll see 
> the letters written to the newspaper.  My favorite letter
> to the editor is 
> "Stop the Puppets!" 
> http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081101/LETTERS/811012994
> 
> The letters sent directly to me have been overwhelmingly
> positive and 
> supportive.  What amazes me is how one complaint can
> undermine years of 
> work.
> 
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> >   1. Axtell Puppet Contest - we extended the deadline
> (STEVE AXTELL)
> >   2. Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open to all college
> >      undergraduates, Summer 2009 (Yvette Edery)
> >   3. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
> >   4. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mathieu Ren?)
> >   5. Re: Why are people so mean? (Ken Berman)
> >   6. Axtell contest help (Tim Barnes)
> >   7. Re: Why are people so mean? (Elizabeth Freeman)
> >   8. Why are people so mean (John Dudley)
> >   9. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
> >  10. Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia / UK (STEVE
> AXTELL)
> >  11. Re: Why are people so mean (Puppet People)
> >  12. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mary Horsley)
> >  13. pto/staff (Elizabeth Freeman)
> >  14. puppets making a difference in schools (Elizabeth
> Freeman)
> >  15. Re: Why are people so mean (Alan Cook)
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:14 -0800
> > From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell Puppet Contest - we
> extended the deadline
> > To: steve-AT-axtell.com
> > Message-ID:
> <mailman.29.1226079269.7611.puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
> >
> > We received so many emails from folks that just
> > haven't had enough time to finish their videos,
> > so we will extend it from Nov 15.....to midnight
> November 30th.
> >
> > Winning ventriloquists will be invited by Terry
> > Fator to appear on stage at his new show in Las
> > Vegas!     Winning puppeteers and video producers
> > will have their videos features on top puppet
> > related sites around the world.
> >
> > More info at http://www.axtell.com/puppetvid.html
> >
> > Ax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Axtell
> > Axtell Expressions, Inc.
> >  http://www.axtell.com
> > ****************************************
> > Amazing Puppets & Magic
> >
> >
> > The original content of this email or attachment is ?
> Axtell Expressions, 
> > Inc.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:04:21 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Yvette Edery <art_goo-AT-yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open
> to all college
> > undergraduates, Summer 2009
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Dear Puptcritters and friends,
> >
> > Thank you to everyone who replied regarding the
> glowing eyes, I will let 
> > you know how my experiments come!
> >
> > Also, it is my pleasure, and honor, to announce NYU
> will be opening the 
> > doors to their summer abroad campus in Dublin,
> Ireland, this next July 
> > through August, for a six week intensive puppetry
> performance course, 
> > guest taught by Ireland's finest puppeteers and
> builders. The course will 
> > take place in the Temple Bar area and students from
> any university can 
> > apply! The Irish arts scene is undergoing a complete
> revolution and many 
> > of the underground puppetry companies are now emerging
> as the face of the 
> > new Irish arts, along with circus companies and street
> performers. This is 
> > incredibly exciting and the course is going to cover
> puppetry through the 
> > lens of Irish Arts and Culture, foremost through
> fantasy and the 
> > possibilities unique only to puppets. Please click on
> the link below to 
> > read about the course, see the application, and some
> pictures, although 
> > more are coming!
> >
> >
> http://specialprograms.tisch.nyu.edu/object/SPC_PuppetryIreland.html
> >
> > Please send this on to anyone you think would be
> interested and if you are 
> > enrolled in a university, please apply! The summer is
> going to be 
> > incredible.
> >
> > Sincerely my best,
> > Yvette Edery
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
> > From: "Puppet People"
> <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <001701c94152$ce8360d0$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Hi All;
> >    Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy
> day. We had a great
> > show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet
> lost his head in the
> > middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a
> nasty e-mail from a
> > school we performed at this week. What's up with
> people??????
> >    To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon
> , a show about
> > dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday,
> the day aftyer the
> > election. We are all happy that morning with the news
> of our new president
> > but the feeling left when we got to the school.
> Teachers were grouchy and
> > eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to
> perform was not
> > cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the
> teachers acted like 
> > out
> > show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the
> kids were great and
> > we had 2 awesome shows.
> >    So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser
> said that the
> > teachers thought that the intolerant character played
> by our Wizard was 
> > "too
> > intolerant" and that he said "bad words
> "like "nincompoop".
> >    Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought
> of it as funny, it's
> > not like after a show kids go around and threaten each
> other with that 
> > word.
> > It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why
> do people think that a
> > villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
> >    I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's
> just I'm tired of stupid
> > people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
> >
> > Bye
> > \Mark The Puppet people
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:26:19 -0500
> > From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <5748B82C84BC4CC7BCC646D148861C7B-AT-critter1>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Hi Mark.
> > Sorry you went through that ordeal.
> >
> > I hate it when people do that.
> > It's stupid, it's unfair, and it's
> uncalled for. Yet, they do it.
> > And what can we do about it, especially when we are
> hired for a gig?
> >
> > The worst part, is that we often feel we can't do
> a thing about it, for 
> > fear
> > of aggravating the situation, or bringing about more
> grief, and perhaps 
> > even
> > lose a future contract.  Still sometimes I think we
> should tell it to 
> > their
> > face, because if nobody stops them in their tracks,
> these people will keep
> > up that pattern and it will get worse. Bullies!
> Can't live with them,
> > period!
> >
> > Can we share some ways of dealing with such behaviors
> and people?
> > I'm very curious about what different people do
> (or wish they could do).
> > The examples can be interesting wether they really
> happened or if they are
> > just "emergency plans".
> >
> >
> > My contribution:
> >
> > And at least, when we do say something, we get the
> satisfaction of having
> > had the guts to put them in their place. Of a usually
> accomodating nature
> > myself, I remember fondly the one time I gave a
> "moral speech" to a 
> > despotic
> > employer, right after giving my resignation, which was
> my reply to a
> > particularly nasty insult. I was unstoppable, my voice
> was clear, I was
> > polite and I didn't raise my tone. She was so
> flabbergasted her jaw was
> > frozen open, speechless for 20 minutes. Nobody talks
> to her that way, 
> > she's
> > mean and scary. That single moment in time is a
> shining beacon for me, as 
> > at
> > that moment, I proved that "enough is
> enough". I never let anyone bully me
> > in any workplace after that. When I visited the store
> again some months
> > later, she greeted me with all the curtesy befitting a
> king, and showed me
> > around the improvements made to the store. She
> hadn't changed. Still the
> > despotic two-faced bully that can appear like a
> civilized person.
> >
> > A local colleague just had such a parasite attack her
> today. It was a very
> > stupid and unreasonnable complaint, yet it was so
> vehement and sudden, in
> > such an inappropriate moment , that she was taken
> aback and it hurt her
> > deeply enough to make her cry. In normal times, she
> would have put that 
> > diva
> > woman right back in her place, but she was caught by
> surpise and shock. My
> > colleague is a loving and giving person, who
> doesn't deserve to be treated
> > that way.
> >
> > My belief is that those people who attack find some
> kind of nasty sadistic
> > pleasure in it, or maybe some sort of temporary boost
> from their
> > self-loathing nature. Whatever it may be, whatever
> their background, there
> > are NO attenuating circumstances in their defense.
> They are wrong. They
> > decide to act thus, and they should face the
> consequences. Bullies come in
> > many forms, and they rarely stop being bullies by
> their own volition.
> > We should show no tolerance. From the start.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:13:57 +0000
> > From: Ken Berman <dramatontheater-AT-hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <BLU128-W50C0889E3163D90B19150ABA180-AT-phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > My immediate thought is that perhaps they confused the
> word "nincompoop" 
> > and "pickaninny", which I have seen someone
> do recently and the speaker 
> > was utterly confused by the listener's mistake.  
> Or perhaps they just did 
> > not like the word "poop"...I like that word
> though.
> >
> > Ken Berman
> >
> > Dramaton Theater
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com
> >> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> >>
> >> Hi All;
> >>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a
> lousy day. We had a great
> >> show today but the audience was lousy (also a
> puppet lost his head in the
> >> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a
> nasty e-mail from a
> >> school we performed at this week. What's up
> with people??????
> >>     To be more specific we did our show The Last
> Dragon , a show about
> >> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on
> Wednesday, the day aftyer the
> >> election. We are all happy that morning with the
> news of our new 
> >> president
> >> but the feeling left when we got to the school.
> Teachers were grouchy and
> >> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we
> were to perform was not
> >> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and
> the teachers acted like 
> >> out
> >> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not
> the kids were great 
> >> and
> >> we had 2 awesome shows.
> >>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our
> sponser said that the
> >> teachers thought that the intolerant character
> played by our Wizard was 
> >> "too
> >> intolerant" and that he said "bad words
> "like "nincompoop".
> >>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always
> thought of it as funny, 
> >> it's
> >> not like after a show kids go around and threaten
> each other with that 
> >> word.
> >> It's even used in a funny part of the show .
> Why do people think that a
> >> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
> >>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent
> it's just I'm tired of stupid
> >> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
> >>
> >> Bye
> >> \Mark The Puppet people
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> >> Admin interface:
> http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
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> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:02:00 -0800
> > From: "Tim Barnes"
> <timbarnespuppeteer-AT-mail.com>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell contest help
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> >
> > Anyone still needing an extra set of hands to finish
> their video by the
> > deadline, drop me a line-I'm happy to help.
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:42:49 -0500
> > From: Elizabeth Freeman
> <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Message-ID:
> <0BE904D8-5F15-43A0-8439-8B12F1F191AA-AT-comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
> format=flowed
> >
> > Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am
> like me watching
> > so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
> > Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty was
> tired but happy.
> > No excuse for rudeness.
> >
> > liz in MA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
> >
> > Hi All;
> >     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy
> day. We had a
> > great
> > show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet
> lost his head in
> > the
> > middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a
> nasty e-mail from a
> > school we performed at this week. What's up with
> people??????
> >     To be more specific we did our show The Last
> Dragon , a show about
> > dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday,
> the day aftyer the
> > election. We are all happy that morning with the news
> of our new
> > president
> > but the feeling left when we got to the school.
> Teachers were grouchy
> > and
> > eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to
> perform was not
> > cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the
> teachers acted
> > like out
> > show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the
> kids were
> > great and
> > we had 2 awesome shows.
> >     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser
> said that the
> > teachers thought that the intolerant character played
> by our Wizard
> > was "too
> > intolerant" and that he said "bad words
> "like "nincompoop".
> >     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought
> of it as
> > funny, it's
> > not like after a show kids go around and threaten each
> other with
> > that word.
> > It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why
> do people think that a
> > villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
> >     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's
> just I'm tired of stupid
> > people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
> >
> > Bye
> > \Mark The Puppet people
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Admin interface:
> http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
> > Archives: http://www.driftline.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:50:57 +0000
> > From: John Dudley <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Message-ID:
> <AAE1BACE-A512-4FAA-A21F-F7D030A5C759-AT-telepuppets.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII;
> format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Hi Mark at Puppet People
> >
> > You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
> >
> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> > A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to
> describe a person
> > that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
> > The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some
> people speculate
> > that it was coined by British playwright William
> Wycherley in 1676.[1]
> > Other people believe the word stems from the Latin
> phrase 'non compos
> > mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
> > In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that
> nincompoop was the
> > nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in
> the Cambridge
> > Dictionary.[3]
> >
> > John Dudley
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0500
> > From: "Puppet People"
> <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <000c01c941ae$d6cddb60$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Hi All;
> >    Thanks Mathuieu, Ken & Liz for your comments it
> does make me fell
> > better. As for Liz's question about which state we
> were in, we were in
> > Massachusetts, so we were very suprised.
> >    As for our reaction to the e-mail we did what we
> always do, we thanked
> > the sponser for her comments, said we would take it
> under advisement, told
> > her that we would still love to come back and we hope
> to here from her
> > again. And also that to us the kids had a wonderful
> time, they got excited
> > about puppetry and they were a great audience. Anyway
> it seemed to work
> > since they do want us back.
> >    Mostly I think that there was no direct
> conversation between the school
> > and the PTA about our program. The school never got
> our study guides, 
> > never
> > prepared for our visit and some of the teachers just
> didn't want to change
> > their schedule. This type of confusion does seem to
> happen more and more 
> > in
> > states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
> >    Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
> >
> > Mark
> > The puppet people
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Elizabeth Freeman"
> <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> >
> >
> >> Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am
> like me watching
> >> so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
> >> Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty
> was tired but happy.
> >> No excuse for rudeness.
> >>
> >> liz in MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All;
> >>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a
> lousy day. We had a
> >> great
> >> show today but the audience was lousy (also a
> puppet lost his head in
> >> the
> >> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a
> nasty e-mail from a
> >> school we performed at this week. What's up
> with people??????
> >>     To be more specific we did our show The Last
> Dragon , a show about
> >> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on
> Wednesday, the day aftyer the
> >> election. We are all happy that morning with the
> news of our new
> >> president
> >> but the feeling left when we got to the school.
> Teachers were grouchy
> >> and
> >> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we
> were to perform was not
> >> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and
> the teachers acted
> >> like out
> >> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not
> the kids were
> >> great and
> >> we had 2 awesome shows.
> >>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our
> sponser said that the
> >> teachers thought that the intolerant character
> played by our Wizard
> >> was "too
> >> intolerant" and that he said "bad words
> "like "nincompoop".
> >>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always
> thought of it as
> >> funny, it's
> >> not like after a show kids go around and threaten
> each other with
> >> that word.
> >> It's even used in a funny part of the show .
> Why do people think that a
> >> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
> >>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent
> it's just I'm tired of stupid
> >> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
> >>
> >> Bye
> >> \Mark The Puppet people
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> >> Admin interface:
> http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
> >> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> >> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:39:55 -0800
> > From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia
> / UK
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> > Interesting article from a presentation made by Penny
> Francis.
> >
> > http://www.theatre.lv/new/en/index.php?parent=215
> >
> > "Why has puppetry become so widely used and
> > studied in the last 20 years? What makes for good
> > production? What are the criteria for the reviewer?
> > Presented during the Homo Alibi festival, August 27,
> 2008
> >
> >
> > INTRODUCTION
> > Puppetry?s rise to the mainstream in theatre can
> > be mainly attributed to the rise or the return of
> > the public?s interest in a theatre that offers as
> > much visual and musical enjoyment as verbal. It
> > may be termed a ?Total Theatre? since it draws on
> > a plurality of performance disciplines and resources.
> >
> > ?According to Mario Kotliar, an Israeli writer,
> > theatre has reached the stage of "open
> > composition", in which verbal communication no
> > longer possesses the pre-eminence it had in the
> > past. Words have lost their evocative power and
> > precision, and the realistic and psychological
> > conception of drama obtaining hitherto no longer
> > suffices. The viewer s purely personal reaction
> > is far more significant than formerly. He
> > responds to "image", and the contemporary
> > artist/director will aim to convey his meaning through
> form....."
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Axtell
> > Axtell Expressions, Inc.
> >  http://www.axtell.com
> > ****************************************
> > Amazing Puppets & Magic
> >
> >
> > The original content of this email or attachment is ?
> Axtell Expressions, 
> > Inc.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:09 -0500
> > From: "Puppet People"
> <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Thanks  John:
> >    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of
> saying "stupid". I
> > always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a
> funny way, 
> > demonstrating
> > the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your
> bones but words will 
> > never
> > hurt".
> >    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we
> let these comments
> > get to us. We have been performing puppet show for
> over 15 years now and I
> > can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of
> shows with 5 bad
> > comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with
> that it still gets to 
> > me.
> > I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an
> opportunity to rethink 
> > a
> > show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Mark The Puppet People
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Dudley"
> <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mark at Puppet People
> >>
> >> You may be interested in the definition of
> Nincompoop.
> >>
> >> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> >> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to
> describe a person
> >> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
> >> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but
> some people speculate
> >> that it was coined by British playwright William
> Wycherley in 1676.[1]
> >> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin
> phrase 'non compos
> >> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
> >> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that
> nincompoop was the
> >> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries
> in the Cambridge
> >> Dictionary.[3]
> >>
> >> John Dudley
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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> http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:41:01 -0500
> > From: Mary  Horsley <mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Message-ID:
> <C53B2B4D.AE60%mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Oh, Mark, I hear you! Yesterday, I got kind of mad
> because I was one of 
> > the
> > first ones to sign up for extended day ( a little
> extra money there) and I
> > didn't get picked. So I complained to the
> principal, and the teacher in
> > charge reluctantly put me on. I told them bluntly that
> if they were smart
> > they would give these kids enrichment afternoon
> activities such as 
> > puppetry
> > and how I had over 20 years teaching puppetry. She
> then said well maybe 
> > the
> > k-2 kids would like puppets. I promptly reminded her
> that the older kids
> > could really benefit from puppetry and that puppets
> weren't just for two
> > year olds.
> >
> > Then she said maybe some of these puppeteers could
> VOLUNTEER at our 
> > school.
> > I reminded her how she didn't volunteer but got a
> paycheck......geez, so 
> > do
> > puppeteers!!! They deserve a paycheck too!!
> >
> > Made me a bit angry.....
> >
> > Mary H.
> >
> >
> > On 11/7/08 10:33 PM, "Puppet People"
> <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All;
> >>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a
> lousy day. We had a great
> >> show today but the audience was lousy (also a
> puppet lost his head in the
> >> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a
> nasty e-mail from a
> >> school we performed at this week. What's up
> with people??????
> >>     To be more specific we did our show The Last
> Dragon , a show about
> >> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on
> Wednesday, the day aftyer the
> >> election. We are all happy that morning with the
> news of our new 
> >> president
> >> but the feeling left when we got to the school.
> Teachers were grouchy and
> >> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we
> were to perform was not
> >> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and
> the teachers acted like 
> >> out
> >> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not
> the kids were great 
> >> and
> >> we had 2 awesome shows.
> >>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our
> sponser said that the
> >> teachers thought that the intolerant character
> played by our Wizard was 
> >> "too
> >> intolerant" and that he said "bad words
> "like "nincompoop".
> >>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always
> thought of it as funny, 
> >> it's
> >> not like after a show kids go around and threaten
> each other with that 
> >> word.
> >> It's even used in a funny part of the show .
> Why do people think that a
> >> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
> >>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent
> it's just I'm tired of stupid
> >> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
> >>
> >> Bye
> >> \Mark The Puppet people
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:43:36 -0500
> > From: Elizabeth Freeman
> <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] pto/staff
> > To: Puptcrit <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
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> >
> > Must help that our school has NO PTO, we are too poor!
> >
> > "some of the teachers just didn't want to
> change their schedule."  I
> > can relate to that,  we usually are happy to have  a
> > change for a program,  but lately with state mandated
> tests,  and a
> > variety of teacher/staff changes for this and that,
> > it seems we haven't had one straight week to cover
> all the mandated
> > material.
> >
> > As the sped teacher I was asked to give one girl extra
> reading time
> > for a half hour after lunch,  this week I saw her
> twice as they had a
> > program from the Lowell mills one day, school
> elections the next, and
> > a math bee on Friday.    The extra math class met
> three times out of
> > 5 due to a new geography class and something else the
> homeroom
> > teacher wanted them for.   Of course, if they had
> given me a heads up
> > I could have used the time more efficiently instead of
> setting up for
> > them and waiting for their arrival.
> >
> >   We are all suppose to be at a certain point in the
> math curriculum
> > and turn in the kids' scores on benchmark tests, 
> as well as which
> > unit/story in the reading book and turn in those
> scores,   kids ready
> > or not.
> >
> > On the other hand yesterday, I was asked to book a
> field trip to
> > Puppet Showplace for two classes in my building.
> > a good thing!       liz
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: "Puppet People"
> <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
> > Date: November 8, 2008 9:32:33 AM EST
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
> > Reply-To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> >
> > Hi All;
> >         Mostly I think that there was no direct
> conversation between
> > the school
> > and the PTA about our program. The school never got
> our study guides,
> > never
> > prepared for our visit and This type of confusion does
> seem to happen
> > more and more in
> > states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
> >     Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
> >
> > Mark
> > The puppet people
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
> > From: Elizabeth Freeman
> <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] puppets making a difference in
> schools
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Last week after the school's Halloween parade,
> there was a young man,
> > 25ish visiting the classroom next door.
> >
> > They asked me if I remembered him,    when they told
> me his name,  I
> > did right away and told him to stop into my classroom.
> >
> > I went back and grabbed out of an old photograph book
> two photos of
> > him from second and fourth grades and a
> >
> > short report he had written to give him from the early
> 90s.
> >
> > He asked if I still did puppets with the class and I
> waved at the
> > corner behind him where the puppet stage is....
> >
> > He went over and picked out the puppets he remembered
> and knew which
> > ones had not been there back then!
> >
> >
> > This week I was over in that area with a second grader
> who picked up
> > one of the puppets and asked if he'd learn how to
> make that kind.  I
> > realized that that particular one had been made by his
> aunt about ten
> > years ago so I asked him to return it to her.
> > The next day he described her reaction and the
> family's in great
> > detail!  After they all got over their shock at seeing
> it again,
> > it was placed on a high shelf of honor to be
> treasured!
> >
> >
> > This week also a third grader having a difficult time
> understanding a
> > story, got it, when I pulled out a few puppets and we
> acted out the
> > story together.  The light bulb went on.         The
> 4th graders are
> > also petitioning me to work with them more soon,  so
> I'm making deals
> > with them about homework completion etc....
> >
> > liz
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:57:47 GMT
> > From: "Alan Cook"
> <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Message-ID:
> <BLU111-DAV6E7A6F342A770455483CBBC180-AT-phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Mark-
> >
> > IF you WERE Shakespear, you could correctly spell your
> name 26 different 
> > ways.
> > And even he had his critics.
> >
> > We are living in difficult times. For the past 8 years
> we have had an 
> > Administration in Washington, which as a matter of
> policy "has not played 
> > well with others". You got a bit of "trickle
> down" from that.
> > It has been called "hard ball" and had oher
> eupjemisms as well, but is 
> > just plain bad and unfair to the people.
> >
> > No surprise that the Economy has gone sour along with
> everything else. You 
> > get hit with a hard ball, it hurts.
> >
> > When things are not going well, some people take it
> out on others, instead 
> > of making changes for the better,
> >
> > It is very possible that someone at that school
> screwed up by not telling 
> > the staff of your scheduled arrival---without
> preparation, it could have 
> > affected teaching plans or maybe they were just grumpy
> after a long 
> > political campaign, much of which still played on
> fears and blatant lies 
> > which don't put people in good moods.
> >
> > Carroll Spinney once made a visit to a school--I think
> it could have been 
> > a freebie---the Principal royally screwed up on the
> date---gave Carroll 
> > ONE date and told the staff and students it was
> another, then when Carroll 
> > did not show up, "it was HIS fault"---news
> of the "poor disappointed 
> > children" hit newspapers across America. The
> Principal made no effort to 
> > correct the news reports.
> >
> > Not all schools are in the best of hands anymore than
> all governments are.
> >
> > If you've had only 5 problems like this, count
> yourself lucky.
> >
> > When you are not prepared in advance for a negative
> experience, it can be 
> > very unsettling.
> >
> > Yesterday's Los Angeles Times' front page
> (lower right corner) had an 
> > article by Diane Haithman with  the heading:
> >
> > The economic picture isn't pretty for the arts
> >
> >
> > and the text warns "It can't be business as
> usual for the next several 
> > years".The article then lists many examples of
> cutbacks at local symphony, 
> > museum and other cultural/artistic groups.
> >
> > Now you can really be upset.
> >
> > ALAN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Puppet People
> > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 7:20 AM
> > To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> > Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> >
> > Thanks  John:
> >    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of
> saying "stupid". I
> > always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a
> funny way, 
> > demonstrating
> > the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your
> bones but words will 
> > never
> > hurt".
> >    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we
> let these comments
> > get to us. We have been performing puppet show for
> over 15 years now and I
> > can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of
> shows with 5 bad
> > comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with
> that it still gets to 
> > me.
> > I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an
> opportunity to rethink 
> > a
> > show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Mark The Puppet People
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Dudley"
> <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
> > To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
> > Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mark at Puppet People
> >>
> >> You may be interested in the definition of
> Nincompoop.
> >>
> >> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> >> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to
> describe a person
> >> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
> >> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but
> some people speculate
> >> that it was coined by British playwright William
> Wycherley in 1676.[1]
> >> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin
> phrase 'non compos
> >> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
> >> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that
> nincompoop was the
> >> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries
> in the Cambridge
> >> Dictionary.[3]
> >>
> >> John Dudley
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> >> Admin interface:
> http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
> >> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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