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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:03:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Puppet controversy


WOW! That is insane! I can't believe he stopped the show! Thanks for sharing 
your war story. It is too bad that people can't take things with a grain of 
salt. Art helps foster discussions. If it fosters HUGE discussions...I guess 
they did a good job!? I am glad that people took the time to write you 
supportive letters.

Michelle



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From: "Gina Gambony" <ginagambony-AT-bellsouth.net>
To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppet controversy


>I can totally relate to the problems described about the mean & intolerant
> people.
> I'm dealing with a big controversy at my job after bringing in Bread and
> Puppet's family show.
> The article is here
> http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081031/ARTICLES/810310247
> and if you search "bread and puppet" on the newspaper website, you'll see
> the letters written to the newspaper.  My favorite letter to the editor is
> "Stop the Puppets!"
> http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20081101/LETTERS/811012994
>
> The letters sent directly to me have been overwhelmingly positive and
> supportive.  What amazes me is how one complaint can undermine years of
> work.
>
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>>   1. Axtell Puppet Contest - we extended the deadline (STEVE AXTELL)
>>   2. Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open to all college
>>      undergraduates, Summer 2009 (Yvette Edery)
>>   3. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
>>   4. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mathieu Ren?)
>>   5. Re: Why are people so mean? (Ken Berman)
>>   6. Axtell contest help (Tim Barnes)
>>   7. Re: Why are people so mean? (Elizabeth Freeman)
>>   8. Why are people so mean (John Dudley)
>>   9. Re: Why are people so mean? (Puppet People)
>>  10. Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia / UK (STEVE AXTELL)
>>  11. Re: Why are people so mean (Puppet People)
>>  12. Re: Why are people so mean? (Mary Horsley)
>>  13. pto/staff (Elizabeth Freeman)
>>  14. puppets making a difference in schools (Elizabeth Freeman)
>>  15. Re: Why are people so mean (Alan Cook)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:14 -0800
>> From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell Puppet Contest - we extended the deadline
>> To: steve-AT-axtell.com
>> Message-ID: <mailman.29.1226079269.7611.puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> We received so many emails from folks that just
>> haven't had enough time to finish their videos,
>> so we will extend it from Nov 15.....to midnight November 30th.
>>
>> Winning ventriloquists will be invited by Terry
>> Fator to appear on stage at his new show in Las
>> Vegas!     Winning puppeteers and video producers
>> will have their videos features on top puppet
>> related sites around the world.
>>
>> More info at http://www.axtell.com/puppetvid.html
>>
>> Ax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Axtell
>> Axtell Expressions, Inc.
>>  http://www.axtell.com
>> ****************************************
>> Amazing Puppets & Magic
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>>
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>> Inc.
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:04:21 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Yvette Edery <art_goo-AT-yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Puppetry Workshop in Ireland open to all college
>> undergraduates, Summer 2009
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Dear Puptcritters and friends,
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who replied regarding the glowing eyes, I will let
>> you know how my experiments come!
>>
>> Also, it is my pleasure, and honor, to announce NYU will be opening the
>> doors to their summer abroad campus in Dublin, Ireland, this next July
>> through August, for a six week intensive puppetry performance course,
>> guest taught by Ireland's finest puppeteers and builders. The course will
>> take place in the Temple Bar area and students from any university can
>> apply! The Irish arts scene is undergoing a complete revolution and many
>> of the underground puppetry companies are now emerging as the face of the
>> new Irish arts, along with circus companies and street performers. This 
>> is
>> incredibly exciting and the course is going to cover puppetry through the
>> lens of Irish Arts and Culture, foremost through fantasy and the
>> possibilities unique only to puppets. Please click on the link below to
>> read about the course, see the application, and some pictures, although
>> more are coming!
>>
>> http://specialprograms.tisch.nyu.edu/object/SPC_PuppetryIreland.html
>>
>> Please send this on to anyone you think would be interested and if you 
>> are
>> enrolled in a university, please apply! The summer is going to be
>> incredible.
>>
>> Sincerely my best,
>> Yvette Edery
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
>> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <001701c94152$ce8360d0$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi All;
>>    Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a great
>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in the
>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>    To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new 
>> president
>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy and
>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like
>> out
>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great 
>> and
>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>    So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was
>> "too
>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>    Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny, it's
>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that
>> word.
>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>    I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>
>> Bye
>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:26:19 -0500
>> From: Mathieu Ren? <creaturiste-AT-primus.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <5748B82C84BC4CC7BCC646D148861C7B-AT-critter1>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Mark.
>> Sorry you went through that ordeal.
>>
>> I hate it when people do that.
>> It's stupid, it's unfair, and it's uncalled for. Yet, they do it.
>> And what can we do about it, especially when we are hired for a gig?
>>
>> The worst part, is that we often feel we can't do a thing about it, for
>> fear
>> of aggravating the situation, or bringing about more grief, and perhaps
>> even
>> lose a future contract.  Still sometimes I think we should tell it to
>> their
>> face, because if nobody stops them in their tracks, these people will 
>> keep
>> up that pattern and it will get worse. Bullies! Can't live with them,
>> period!
>>
>> Can we share some ways of dealing with such behaviors and people?
>> I'm very curious about what different people do (or wish they could do).
>> The examples can be interesting wether they really happened or if they 
>> are
>> just "emergency plans".
>>
>>
>> My contribution:
>>
>> And at least, when we do say something, we get the satisfaction of having
>> had the guts to put them in their place. Of a usually accomodating nature
>> myself, I remember fondly the one time I gave a "moral speech" to a
>> despotic
>> employer, right after giving my resignation, which was my reply to a
>> particularly nasty insult. I was unstoppable, my voice was clear, I was
>> polite and I didn't raise my tone. She was so flabbergasted her jaw was
>> frozen open, speechless for 20 minutes. Nobody talks to her that way,
>> she's
>> mean and scary. That single moment in time is a shining beacon for me, as
>> at
>> that moment, I proved that "enough is enough". I never let anyone bully 
>> me
>> in any workplace after that. When I visited the store again some months
>> later, she greeted me with all the curtesy befitting a king, and showed 
>> me
>> around the improvements made to the store. She hadn't changed. Still the
>> despotic two-faced bully that can appear like a civilized person.
>>
>> A local colleague just had such a parasite attack her today. It was a 
>> very
>> stupid and unreasonnable complaint, yet it was so vehement and sudden, in
>> such an inappropriate moment , that she was taken aback and it hurt her
>> deeply enough to make her cry. In normal times, she would have put that
>> diva
>> woman right back in her place, but she was caught by surpise and shock. 
>> My
>> colleague is a loving and giving person, who doesn't deserve to be 
>> treated
>> that way.
>>
>> My belief is that those people who attack find some kind of nasty 
>> sadistic
>> pleasure in it, or maybe some sort of temporary boost from their
>> self-loathing nature. Whatever it may be, whatever their background, 
>> there
>> are NO attenuating circumstances in their defense. They are wrong. They
>> decide to act thus, and they should face the consequences. Bullies come 
>> in
>> many forms, and they rarely stop being bullies by their own volition.
>> We should show no tolerance. From the start.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:13:57 +0000
>> From: Ken Berman <dramatontheater-AT-hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <BLU128-W50C0889E3163D90B19150ABA180-AT-phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> My immediate thought is that perhaps they confused the word "nincompoop"
>> and "pickaninny", which I have seen someone do recently and the speaker
>> was utterly confused by the listener's mistake.   Or perhaps they just 
>> did
>> not like the word "poop"...I like that word though.
>>
>> Ken Berman
>>
>> Dramaton Theater
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com
>>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>>>
>>> Hi All;
>>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a 
>>> great
>>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in 
>>> the
>>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
>>> president
>>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy 
>>> and
>>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like
>>> out
>>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great
>>> and
>>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was
>>> "too
>>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny,
>>> it's
>>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that
>>> word.
>>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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>>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:02:00 -0800
>> From: "Tim Barnes" <timbarnespuppeteer-AT-mail.com>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Axtell contest help
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
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>> Anyone still needing an extra set of hands to finish their video by the
>> deadline, drop me a line-I'm happy to help.
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:42:49 -0500
>> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Message-ID: <0BE904D8-5F15-43A0-8439-8B12F1F191AA-AT-comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am like me watching
>> so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
>> Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty was tired but happy.
>> No excuse for rudeness.
>>
>> liz in MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
>>
>> Hi All;
>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a
>> great
>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in
>> the
>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
>> president
>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy
>> and
>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted
>> like out
>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were
>> great and
>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard
>> was "too
>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as
>> funny, it's
>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with
>> that word.
>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>
>> Bye
>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:50:57 +0000
>> From: John Dudley <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Message-ID: <AAE1BACE-A512-4FAA-A21F-F7D030A5C759-AT-telepuppets.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>>
>> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>>
>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
>> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
>> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
>> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
>> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
>> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
>> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
>> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
>> Dictionary.[3]
>>
>> John Dudley
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0500
>> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <000c01c941ae$d6cddb60$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi All;
>>    Thanks Mathuieu, Ken & Liz for your comments it does make me fell
>> better. As for Liz's question about which state we were in, we were in
>> Massachusetts, so we were very suprised.
>>    As for our reaction to the e-mail we did what we always do, we thanked
>> the sponser for her comments, said we would take it under advisement, 
>> told
>> her that we would still love to come back and we hope to here from her
>> again. And also that to us the kids had a wonderful time, they got 
>> excited
>> about puppetry and they were a great audience. Anyway it seemed to work
>> since they do want us back.
>>    Mostly I think that there was no direct conversation between the 
>> school
>> and the PTA about our program. The school never got our study guides,
>> never
>> prepared for our visit and some of the teachers just didn't want to 
>> change
>> their schedule. This type of confusion does seem to happen more and more
>> in
>> states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
>>    Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
>>
>> Mark
>> The puppet people
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Elizabeth Freeman" <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>>
>>
>>> Maybe many of the teachers had been up to 12:30 am like me watching
>>> so getting up to go to school at all was a chore.
>>> Or were you in a  red state?   Our school faculty was tired but happy.
>>> No excuse for rudeness.
>>>
>>> liz in MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Puppet People wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All;
>>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a
>>> great
>>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in
>>> the
>>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
>>> president
>>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy
>>> and
>>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted
>>> like out
>>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were
>>> great and
>>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard
>>> was "too
>>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as
>>> funny, it's
>>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with
>>> that word.
>>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>>> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
>>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:39:55 -0800
>> From: STEVE AXTELL <steve-AT-axtell.com>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Article on Puppet Theater - Lapvia / UK
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Message-ID: <mailman.95.1226155676.7611.puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> Interesting article from a presentation made by Penny Francis.
>>
>> http://www.theatre.lv/new/en/index.php?parent=215
>>
>> "Why has puppetry become so widely used and
>> studied in the last 20 years? What makes for good
>> production? What are the criteria for the reviewer?
>> Presented during the Homo Alibi festival, August 27, 2008
>>
>>
>> INTRODUCTION
>> Puppetry?s rise to the mainstream in theatre can
>> be mainly attributed to the rise or the return of
>> the public?s interest in a theatre that offers as
>> much visual and musical enjoyment as verbal. It
>> may be termed a ?Total Theatre? since it draws on
>> a plurality of performance disciplines and resources.
>>
>> ?According to Mario Kotliar, an Israeli writer,
>> theatre has reached the stage of "open
>> composition", in which verbal communication no
>> longer possesses the pre-eminence it had in the
>> past. Words have lost their evocative power and
>> precision, and the realistic and psychological
>> conception of drama obtaining hitherto no longer
>> suffices. The viewer s purely personal reaction
>> is far more significant than formerly. He
>> responds to "image", and the contemporary
>> artist/director will aim to convey his meaning through form....."
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Axtell
>> Axtell Expressions, Inc.
>>  http://www.axtell.com
>> ****************************************
>> Amazing Puppets & Magic
>>
>>
>> The original content of this email or attachment is ? Axtell Expressions,
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:20:09 -0500
>> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <001f01c941b5$7ccbd930$38cdf243-AT-YOUR4353FC193C>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Thanks  John:
>>    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of saying "stupid". I
>> always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a funny way,
>> demonstrating
>> the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your bones but words will
>> never
>> hurt".
>>    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we let these comments
>> get to us. We have been performing puppet show for over 15 years now and 
>> I
>> can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of shows with 5 bad
>> comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with that it still gets to
>> me.
>> I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an opportunity to rethink
>> a
>> show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Mark The Puppet People
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Dudley" <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>>>
>>> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>>>
>>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
>>> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
>>> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
>>> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
>>> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
>>> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
>>> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
>>> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
>>> Dictionary.[3]
>>>
>>> John Dudley
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:41:01 -0500
>> From: Mary  Horsley <mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <C53B2B4D.AE60%mphorsley-AT-earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Oh, Mark, I hear you! Yesterday, I got kind of mad because I was one of
>> the
>> first ones to sign up for extended day ( a little extra money there) and 
>> I
>> didn't get picked. So I complained to the principal, and the teacher in
>> charge reluctantly put me on. I told them bluntly that if they were smart
>> they would give these kids enrichment afternoon activities such as
>> puppetry
>> and how I had over 20 years teaching puppetry. She then said well maybe
>> the
>> k-2 kids would like puppets. I promptly reminded her that the older kids
>> could really benefit from puppetry and that puppets weren't just for two
>> year olds.
>>
>> Then she said maybe some of these puppeteers could VOLUNTEER at our
>> school.
>> I reminded her how she didn't volunteer but got a paycheck......geez, so
>> do
>> puppeteers!!! They deserve a paycheck too!!
>>
>> Made me a bit angry.....
>>
>> Mary H.
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/08 10:33 PM, "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All;
>>>     Sorry but I have to vent a little. We had a lousy day. We had a 
>>> great
>>> show today but the audience was lousy (also a puppet lost his head in 
>>> the
>>> middle of the show)  and when we got home we got a nasty e-mail from a
>>> school we performed at this week. What's up with people??????
>>>     To be more specific we did our show The Last Dragon , a show about
>>> dealing with prejudice & intolerance on Wednesday, the day aftyer the
>>> election. We are all happy that morning with the news of our new
>>> president
>>> but the feeling left when we got to the school. Teachers were grouchy 
>>> and
>>> eyeing us like we had the plague. The Stage we were to perform was not
>>> cleared, no one seeme to know we were coming and the teachers acted like
>>> out
>>> show was wasting their time. But believe it or not the kids were great
>>> and
>>> we had 2 awesome shows.
>>>     So we were suprised that in the e-mail our sponser said that the
>>> teachers thought that the intolerant character played by our Wizard was
>>> "too
>>> intolerant" and that he said "bad words "like "nincompoop".
>>>     Why is that word suddenly bad??? I always thought of it as funny,
>>> it's
>>> not like after a show kids go around and threaten each other with that
>>> word.
>>> It's even used in a funny part of the show . Why do people think that a
>>> villian shouldn't act like a villian!!!!!
>>>     I'm sorry as I said I needed to vent it's just I'm tired of stupid
>>> people who come to a show just to rip it apart.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> \Mark The Puppet people
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:43:36 -0500
>> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] pto/staff
>> To: Puptcrit <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Message-ID: <940CC87A-A87F-458F-9B4A-ED3C63F6CA0C-AT-comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Must help that our school has NO PTO, we are too poor!
>>
>> "some of the teachers just didn't want to change their schedule."  I
>> can relate to that,  we usually are happy to have  a
>> change for a program,  but lately with state mandated tests,  and a
>> variety of teacher/staff changes for this and that,
>> it seems we haven't had one straight week to cover all the mandated
>> material.
>>
>> As the sped teacher I was asked to give one girl extra reading time
>> for a half hour after lunch,  this week I saw her twice as they had a
>> program from the Lowell mills one day, school elections the next, and
>> a math bee on Friday.    The extra math class met three times out of
>> 5 due to a new geography class and something else the homeroom
>> teacher wanted them for.   Of course, if they had given me a heads up
>> I could have used the time more efficiently instead of setting up for
>> them and waiting for their arrival.
>>
>>   We are all suppose to be at a certain point in the math curriculum
>> and turn in the kids' scores on benchmark tests,  as well as which
>> unit/story in the reading book and turn in those scores,   kids ready
>> or not.
>>
>> On the other hand yesterday, I was asked to book a field trip to
>> Puppet Showplace for two classes in my building.
>> a good thing!       liz
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: "Puppet People" <puppetpeople-AT-nycap.rr.com>
>> Date: November 8, 2008 9:32:33 AM EST
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean?
>> Reply-To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>>
>> Hi All;
>>         Mostly I think that there was no direct conversation between
>> the school
>> and the PTA about our program. The school never got our study guides,
>> never
>> prepared for our visit and This type of confusion does seem to happen
>> more and more in
>> states wher the PTA hires you and not the school.
>>     Well again thanks everyone for your comments .
>>
>> Mark
>> The puppet people
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
>> From: Elizabeth Freeman <LindenTree85-AT-comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] puppets making a difference in schools
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Message-ID: <7000B3C3-981A-42D4-B68F-3D5E038E9A10-AT-comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Last week after the school's Halloween parade, there was a young man,
>> 25ish visiting the classroom next door.
>>
>> They asked me if I remembered him,    when they told me his name,  I
>> did right away and told him to stop into my classroom.
>>
>> I went back and grabbed out of an old photograph book two photos of
>> him from second and fourth grades and a
>>
>> short report he had written to give him from the early 90s.
>>
>> He asked if I still did puppets with the class and I waved at the
>> corner behind him where the puppet stage is....
>>
>> He went over and picked out the puppets he remembered and knew which
>> ones had not been there back then!
>>
>>
>> This week I was over in that area with a second grader who picked up
>> one of the puppets and asked if he'd learn how to make that kind.  I
>> realized that that particular one had been made by his aunt about ten
>> years ago so I asked him to return it to her.
>> The next day he described her reaction and the family's in great
>> detail!  After they all got over their shock at seeing it again,
>> it was placed on a high shelf of honor to be treasured!
>>
>>
>> This week also a third grader having a difficult time understanding a
>> story, got it, when I pulled out a few puppets and we acted out the
>> story together.  The light bulb went on.         The 4th graders are
>> also petitioning me to work with them more soon,  so I'm making deals
>> with them about homework completion etc....
>>
>> liz
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:57:47 GMT
>> From: "Alan Cook" <alangregorycook-AT-msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Message-ID: <BLU111-DAV6E7A6F342A770455483CBBC180-AT-phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Mark-
>>
>> IF you WERE Shakespear, you could correctly spell your name 26 different
>> ways.
>> And even he had his critics.
>>
>> We are living in difficult times. For the past 8 years we have had an
>> Administration in Washington, which as a matter of policy "has not played
>> well with others". You got a bit of "trickle down" from that.
>> It has been called "hard ball" and had oher eupjemisms as well, but is
>> just plain bad and unfair to the people.
>>
>> No surprise that the Economy has gone sour along with everything else. 
>> You
>> get hit with a hard ball, it hurts.
>>
>> When things are not going well, some people take it out on others, 
>> instead
>> of making changes for the better,
>>
>> It is very possible that someone at that school screwed up by not telling
>> the staff of your scheduled arrival---without preparation, it could have
>> affected teaching plans or maybe they were just grumpy after a long
>> political campaign, much of which still played on fears and blatant lies
>> which don't put people in good moods.
>>
>> Carroll Spinney once made a visit to a school--I think it could have been
>> a freebie---the Principal royally screwed up on the date---gave Carroll
>> ONE date and told the staff and students it was another, then when 
>> Carroll
>> did not show up, "it was HIS fault"---news of the "poor disappointed
>> children" hit newspapers across America. The Principal made no effort to
>> correct the news reports.
>>
>> Not all schools are in the best of hands anymore than all governments 
>> are.
>>
>> If you've had only 5 problems like this, count yourself lucky.
>>
>> When you are not prepared in advance for a negative experience, it can be
>> very unsettling.
>>
>> Yesterday's Los Angeles Times' front page (lower right corner) had an
>> article by Diane Haithman with  the heading:
>>
>> The economic picture isn't pretty for the arts
>>
>>
>> and the text warns "It can't be business as usual for the next several
>> years".The article then lists many examples of cutbacks at local 
>> symphony,
>> museum and other cultural/artistic groups.
>>
>> Now you can really be upset.
>>
>> ALAN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Puppet People
>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 7:20 AM
>> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>>
>> Thanks  John:
>>    Exactly, we use the word in the show instead of saying "stupid". I
>> always thought it sounded funny and we use it in a funny way,
>> demonstrating
>> the old phrase "sticks and stones may break your bones but words will
>> never
>> hurt".
>>    But I guess what I am really upset about is that we let these comments
>> get to us. We have been performing puppet show for over 15 years now and 
>> I
>> can count the # of criticisms on one hand. Thousand of shows with 5 bad
>> comments is pretty dam good I'd say. But even with that it still gets to
>> me.
>> I wish I could shrug them off or think of it as an opportunity to rethink
>> a
>> show or our writing, I mean we are not Shakespear.
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Mark The Puppet People
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Dudley" <john.dudley-AT-telepuppets.com>
>> To: <puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:50 AM
>> Subject: [Puptcrit] Why are people so mean
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mark at Puppet People
>>>
>>> You may be interested in the definition of Nincompoop.
>>>
>>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>> A nincompoop is an English term usually meant to describe a person
>>> that is silly, foolish, stupid, and/or useless.
>>> The factual origins of the term are unknown, but some people speculate
>>> that it was coined by British playwright William Wycherley in 1676.[1]
>>> Other people believe the word stems from the Latin phrase 'non compos
>>> mentis', i.e. 'not of sound mind.'[2]
>>> In 2007, a survey among 2000 Britons revealed that nincompoop was the
>>> nation's favourite word out of 16,500 entries in the Cambridge
>>> Dictionary.[3]
>>>
>>> John Dudley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
>>> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit
>>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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