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To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:23:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] JellyTelly and Tibetan Book of the Dead


Sounds interesting, Rolande, where did you find the movie?

Mary

On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:51 AM, puppetpro-AT-aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for this, Joe --
> Storytelling is interwoven so deeply in our lives. It's very  
> difficult to separate "fact" from "fiction".
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> I've been watching "The Tibetan Book of the Dead", a film about the  
> practice of seeing the dead through the transition into the next  
> life. It's very interesting, and has gotten me thinking about how  
> various perspectives color our ways of seeing and understanding. For  
> the Tibetans, reincarnation is a fact of life. Evolution,  
> Creationism, etc. has no place. Their on-going story is less  
> involved with separating fact and fiction and more involved with the  
> problem of leading an honorable life. If Darwin had been Tibetan, we  
> would have had a very different type of theory associated with Life  
> on Earth.
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> Rolande
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> From: Joe Dunfee <joe-AT-dunfee.com>
> To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
> Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] JellyTelly
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> Hobey Ford said;
>> Science is up for reinterpretation by fundamentalists who find
>> evolution uncomfortable.
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>> Maybe we just fell for a lot more propaganda in the past
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> Evolution is in the world of forensics (figuring out what happened
> after the event) and are a very different sort of thing from the
> experimental sciences.  Forensics are where someone tries to come up
> story that is supposed to explain how current events came to be.  It
> is the world of the story teller.
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> Just today I heard an NPR story, where some people are concerned that
> a
> man executed a few years ago for setting a fire that killed his
> children may have been innocent.  They feel the forensic fire experts
> at the trial were totally wrong.  I.e. they made up an incorrect
> story... even though they were using "science".  Perhaps some of you
> heard the story.
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> The area of forensics is chronically subject to ones own ability to
> imagine a story.  Of course, this is an area where one's personal
> bias can affect the story.  A person who is trained in theology, and
> thinking of things like the salvation of their relatives, is going to
> approach the origins issue from a particular perspective.  They will
> try to come up with a story that fits the evidence, but that also
> fits with their own expectations for how the universe should be.
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> Regarding propaganda, I don't think it is the fundamentalists that
> have control of the story over origins.  Rather, it is a government
> and schools system that has most of the power there. In fact, the
> evolution version of the story is the only one allowed by law.
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> And finally, that person "trained in theology" was a reference to an
> actual person.  It was a reference to Darwin, who set out on his
> famous voyage wrestling with the issue that some of his relatives
> were doomed to hell because of their beliefs.  I can see how he might
> be motivated to make up a story of origins that gets God out of the  
> picture.
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> Joe Dunfee  joe-AT-dunfee.com
> Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
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