File puptcrit/puptcrit.1002, message 397


From: Linda Elbow <breadpup-AT-together.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:35:05 -0500
To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 64, Issue 27 snob


Nice comment, Geoffrey.
Linda

On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Geoffrey Navias wrote:

> Fine Art is a confused and interesting conversation and even more  
> so as an
> index for inclusion in a encyclopedia of puppetry.
>
> Puppetry is ancient and world wide, it can be viewed as a  
> representation of
> a culture in miniature.
>
> With in the cultural anthropology circles, "Fine Arts" does not  
> necessarily
> denote a quality (though one can always hope).  It refers to the  
> way and
> style in which it is taught, passed on, accredited and practiced.   
> In this
> paradigm "Folk", "Popular", and "Fine" art are three different  
> practices,
> often creating different results, for somewhat different objectives.
>
> To describe the difference we could use medicine as allegory.  If  
> you have a
> bad cold and your grandma gave you chicken soup or garlic, because  
> that is
> what her grandma gave her, that would be a folk remedy.  If you  
> went to the
> store and got over the counter cough medicine and vitamin C because  
> that's
> what the add on TV told you, that could be a Pop remedy.  If you  
> went to the
> doctors office and after being examined the physician gave you a
> prescription drug to take care of your cold, that remedy could be  
> viewed as
> parallel to the fine arts.
>
> Puppetry is all over the map with in this paradigm though mostly  
> with in the
> Folk and Popular art definition in this culture...though certainly  
> it has
> branches into the Fine Arts.
>
> So for my two cents, fine art is not all that relevant an index.   
> What is
> relevant to me is that art is a way of having a conversation (even  
> if that
> conversation is with ones self.)  By it's nature it explores  
> abstractions,
> mysteries, and paradox.  How a specific piece (or movement) of art  
> impacts
> and participates in that conversation ...helping galvanize, vision,  
> tear
> down, bring joy, critique, challenge and initiate a sense of our  
> placement
> or wonder in our world (connection in the cosmos) is how I would  
> judge it's
> value as art.
>
> Otherwise what is art?
>
> Geoffrey Navias
> Open Hand Theater
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/10 2:54 PM, "Hobey Ford" <hobeyone-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The internet is an amazing thing and whille there is such a lot of  
>> junk to
>> wade through, it is great to be able to meander through on your  
>> own making
>> your own way.  That could be a good show  "lost in the internet",  
>> plenty of
>> wolves and dangers along the way.  I love the commercial from a  
>> few years
>> back about a guy sitting down on the couch after surfing the whole  
>> thing, as
>> if that were possible.  I know that given time the online  
>> encyclopedia,
>> classroom and perhaps even virtual theater will develop.  You have  
>> all made
>> valid points and I hope I have too, without stepping on too many  
>> toes.  I do
>> love these discussions and enjoy meeting in this forum and hope  
>> you know
>> that I respect you all no matter what I say.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, <NANCYSTAUB-AT-aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I did not send this correctly. A quote from Hobey preceded it.
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/27/2010 11:00:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> puptcrit-request-AT-puptcrit.org writes:
>>>
>>> I think  the architect was not a snob,  His comment simply   
>>> suggests that
>>> opinions vary in credibility. All opinions are  subjective as  
>>> they  are
>>> based
>>> on many factors: experience, knowledge, language,  culture,   
>>> personality,
>>> etc.
>>> This is true in science as well as art. Many   scientific  
>>> opinions have
>>> proven more credible than   others.
>>>
>>> As for inclusivity, perspectives and space certainly dictate  
>>> that. Moral:
>>> pick your editors carefully and/or participate yourself! All  
>>> inclusive
>>> would
>>>  prove impossible. I persuaded Jim Henson to use his clipper  
>>> service to
>>> pick up  all mention of puppetry one year as a gauge of press  
>>> attention.
>>> The
>>> result was  so overwhelming we canceled the next year.  
>>> Electronics make
>>> greater inclusivity  possible now but someone needs to develop  
>>> criteria for
>>> search
>>> engines. The  amount of information online is staggering. Seems like
>>> everyone is tooting a  horn!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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