From: Linda Elbow <breadpup-AT-together.net> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:35:05 -0500 To: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] puptcrit Digest, Vol 64, Issue 27 snob Nice comment, Geoffrey. Linda On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Geoffrey Navias wrote: > Fine Art is a confused and interesting conversation and even more > so as an > index for inclusion in a encyclopedia of puppetry. > > Puppetry is ancient and world wide, it can be viewed as a > representation of > a culture in miniature. > > With in the cultural anthropology circles, "Fine Arts" does not > necessarily > denote a quality (though one can always hope). It refers to the > way and > style in which it is taught, passed on, accredited and practiced. > In this > paradigm "Folk", "Popular", and "Fine" art are three different > practices, > often creating different results, for somewhat different objectives. > > To describe the difference we could use medicine as allegory. If > you have a > bad cold and your grandma gave you chicken soup or garlic, because > that is > what her grandma gave her, that would be a folk remedy. If you > went to the > store and got over the counter cough medicine and vitamin C because > that's > what the add on TV told you, that could be a Pop remedy. If you > went to the > doctors office and after being examined the physician gave you a > prescription drug to take care of your cold, that remedy could be > viewed as > parallel to the fine arts. > > Puppetry is all over the map with in this paradigm though mostly > with in the > Folk and Popular art definition in this culture...though certainly > it has > branches into the Fine Arts. > > So for my two cents, fine art is not all that relevant an index. > What is > relevant to me is that art is a way of having a conversation (even > if that > conversation is with ones self.) By it's nature it explores > abstractions, > mysteries, and paradox. How a specific piece (or movement) of art > impacts > and participates in that conversation ...helping galvanize, vision, > tear > down, bring joy, critique, challenge and initiate a sense of our > placement > or wonder in our world (connection in the cosmos) is how I would > judge it's > value as art. > > Otherwise what is art? > > Geoffrey Navias > Open Hand Theater > > > > > > > > On 2/27/10 2:54 PM, "Hobey Ford" <hobeyone-AT-gmail.com> wrote: > >> The internet is an amazing thing and whille there is such a lot of >> junk to >> wade through, it is great to be able to meander through on your >> own making >> your own way. That could be a good show "lost in the internet", >> plenty of >> wolves and dangers along the way. I love the commercial from a >> few years >> back about a guy sitting down on the couch after surfing the whole >> thing, as >> if that were possible. I know that given time the online >> encyclopedia, >> classroom and perhaps even virtual theater will develop. You have >> all made >> valid points and I hope I have too, without stepping on too many >> toes. I do >> love these discussions and enjoy meeting in this forum and hope >> you know >> that I respect you all no matter what I say. >> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, <NANCYSTAUB-AT-aol.com> wrote: >> >>> I did not send this correctly. A quote from Hobey preceded it. >>> >>> In a message dated 2/27/2010 11:00:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, >>> puptcrit-request-AT-puptcrit.org writes: >>> >>> I think the architect was not a snob, His comment simply >>> suggests that >>> opinions vary in credibility. All opinions are subjective as >>> they are >>> based >>> on many factors: experience, knowledge, language, culture, >>> personality, >>> etc. >>> This is true in science as well as art. Many scientific >>> opinions have >>> proven more credible than others. >>> >>> As for inclusivity, perspectives and space certainly dictate >>> that. Moral: >>> pick your editors carefully and/or participate yourself! All >>> inclusive >>> would >>> prove impossible. I persuaded Jim Henson to use his clipper >>> service to >>> pick up all mention of puppetry one year as a gauge of press >>> attention. >>> The >>> result was so overwhelming we canceled the next year. >>> Electronics make >>> greater inclusivity possible now but someone needs to develop >>> criteria for >>> search >>> engines. The amount of information online is staggering. Seems like >>> everyone is tooting a horn! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org >>> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit >>> Archives: http://www.driftline.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org >> Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit >> Archives: http://www.driftline.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org > Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit > Archives: http://www.driftline.org _______________________________________________ List address: puptcrit-AT-puptcrit.org Admin interface: http://lists.puptcrit.org/mailman/listinfo/puptcrit Archives: http://www.driftline.org
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