From: villanova-AT-btopenworld.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:45:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: value


I suppose you could read Mein Kampf!  I've never read it personally.  I know that Hitler, not being much of an intellectual, knew a few phrases from N, the Will to Power, the Ubermensch.  Mussolini had read N, adn presented H with an edition of N's work at their meeting on the Brenner Pass, hilariously pariodied by Chaplin in his film The Great Dictator.  Apart from that, some of the 'intellectuals' who influenced H in his early Vienna period and in the period directly after WW1 (from one of them he adopted his famous toothbrush moustache) might be useful.  N was also important to Anarchists and to the Frankfurt School.  I have piles of stuff here on the Frankfurt School and N.  What they liked about his thinking was his dislike/detestation of system building, a peculiarly 19th Century preoccupation, ie Darwin, Marx etc etc.  N rightly considered the thoughts of Blake and Goethe, that there is much beyond, and which cannot be fitted into, any system.
PM

>  from:    =?iso-8859-1?q?nairda=20oremor?= <oxanairda-AT-yahoo.com>
>  date:    Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:38:49
>  to:      nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>  subject: Re: value
> 
> Paul:
> 
> I have a popular edition of "As hablo Zarathustra"
> with a reference about such predated nazification at
> the final passage in "Del nuevo dolo" discourse... It
> seems that this final passage does not points to
> prelude the nazism rather than prelude a portrait of
> the compulsive and consumist society... Can you metion
>  more references concerning to this nazification of
> Nietzsches work?     
> 
> adr
> 
>  --- Paul Murphy <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com> escribi:
> > Nietzsche vastly predates the Nazi movement, dying
> > in 1900, 33 years before
> > Hitler came to power in Germany.  Many scholars see
> > his sister, Elizabeth
> > Forster Nietzsche, as responsible for the
> > Nazification of Nietzsche.  (her
> > husband? set up an ideal community in Paraguay, and
> > I think committed
> > suicide when it failed).  Read 'Wagner and
> > Philosophy' by Bryan Magee for a
> > better idea about N's and W's politics.  Find out
> > what revisionism is, and
> > read some Popper too.
> > all best wishes,
> > Paul Murphy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nairda oremor" <oxanairda-AT-yahoo.com>
> > To: <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: value
> > 
> > 
> > > Marina:
> > >
> > > Me parece interesante tu enfoque pero quiza
> > deberias
> > > preguntarte porque Heidegger? en cuanto a valor
> > > refiere no hay ms que Nietzsche...
> > >
> > > Me parece que abordar el valor con Heidegger es
> > > sustraerse a las condiciones historicas de una
> > > ontologia politica y politizante...(checa "La
> > > ontologia politica de M heidegger de Pierre
> > Bourdieu"
> > > paidos)
> > >
> > > No importa si Heidegger era nazi o no, lo que
> > importa
> > > es que se le sepa que su filosofia esta politizada
> > en
> > > algun sentido...podrias preguntarte: como
> > interpretar
> > > una obra cualquiera (sobretodo la de heidegger)
> > > rompiendo con las determinaciones implicitas de su
> > > representacion historica? Heidegger tenia un
> > > mandarinato politico muy claro en su obra y
> > sobretodo
> > > en las posiciones politicas que su obra le
> > permitio
> > > adoptar... Y nietzsche diseo su obra en el marco
> > de
> > > una serie de rupturas y aforismos que hacen poco
> > > plausible la sedimentacion de una representacion
> > > prestablecida...Nietzsche es lenguaje de ruptura,
> > > Heidegger es un lenguaje instituyente de
> > > representaciones ontologicas politicamente
> > correctas,
> > > es decir ideologicas...
> > >
> > > Quiza te interese conversar por esta via en espaol
> > > aunque es incomodo porque no hay acentos, a mi me
> > > interesaria profundizar en la cuestion del valor
> > en
> > > Nietzsche como un proyecto de vida y de obra
> > encarnado
> > >  y generado por sus aflicciones y padecimientos...
> > >
> > > tambien si quieres podemos charlar fuera de este
> > foro
> > >
> > > saludos desde mexico
> > >
> > > adriano
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Marina <oboschi-AT-intramed.net.ar> escribi: > It
> > is
> > > ok, Paul. Perhpas I sould have written that
> > > > Heideggers Philosophy and
> > > > interpretations didnt coincide with the nazis
> > > > "philosophical" ideas.  But
> > > > I really didnt know about him as person.
> > > > With metaphisical idea, i meant, a trascendent
> > idea
> > > > which isnt a human
> > > > creation. An useful fiction is something
> > consciously
> > > > created by the men in
> > > > order to deal better with he world.
> > > > Marina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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