Date: 09 Feb 1999 14:56:00 +0200
From: I-AFD_2-AT-anarch.free.de (Nico MYOWNA)
Subject: Re: does Nietzsche like baby food?



Hi Colin,

> >Nietzsches last will was to burn his last books -- the book about the
> >Ubermann and "So speak Zaratustra". One of the fathers of Nazi-ism was his
> >son-in-law, who has edited his last books against Nietzsches last will.
> >
> >So Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. But on the other hand many Nazi's have told
> >that Nietzsche was a great inspiration for their ideology....
>
> Essentially, all his books are about the Ubermann, so i don't know which
> one you're talking about in this context.

I only know the German edition. Unfortunately is my edition of the  
collected works of Nietzsche not here, where I stay at this moment. I  
remember only, that Nietzsche have written in his last will to burn his  
last 3 books: "So speak Zaratustra" and two others.

> But to take this one concept as
> only part of his ideology is to be unfair to the man.  Yes he was an
> elitist who preached vitriol against mass movements such as the French
> Revolution.

Does you know the movement of "Conservative Revolution" in Germany between  
1919 and 1935 -- Ludendorf, Spengler, Niekisch etc. -- and the ideological  
interrelation between this movement and the left fraction -- the Strasser  
fraction -- inside the NSDAP?

The "Conservative Revolutionaries" preached all against mass movements  
such as the French Revolution, against human rights and the existing  
democraties. They are all elitists. The "ideal democraty" should be a  
state, where a dictator, who is the fittest of the democratic population,  
should act in correspondence with the democratic will of the mass....

I think that Nietzsches ideas have had an strong influence on this  
movement of "Conservative Revolutionaries"....

> But the most important thing that i get from reading his books
> is his beautiful vindication of the rights of the individual to live the
> life he wishes to lead.  Yes he would have been a great inspiration to the
> Nazis, but Nazi-ism appropriated all sorts of things for their movement -
> mysticism, anti-Semitism, militarism, folk ideology etc. and to say that
> Nietzsche created the Nazis, or that he was the central figure would be to
> completely misunderstand history.

Who have written that Nietzsche was the father of Nazi-ism? This isn't my  
crap....

> True, he influenced Nazis, but he
> influences me too.
>
> >I think you misunderstood the nature of Nazi-ism. One side of Nazi-ism is
> >a playing out of this "herd mentality". But if you see on the history of
> >the SS you see another side of Nazi-ism: the Ubermann by means of magic in-
> >sight against the "herd mentality" of their own population.
>
> I really don't have a clue what you're talking about here.  Would you care
> to enlighten me?

The SS have been the elite of the NS-state. Every member of the SS -- but  
not the weapon-SS -- was in their ideology a racical fit exemplar of the  
arian nation; he should govern about all other racical populations and  
about the not so fit ("not so pure") members of the arian nation; his  
magic insight in the real goals of the Nazi ideology told him, what he  
have to do.

Every SS-member was teached to stand outside of every morality to serve  
for their magic ideology only. There have been two great fractions inside  
this elite: the "Hole-world"-fraction and the "seven-moons"-fraction. In  
this teachings was Nietzsches work a School-book for new SS-Members.

Nico






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