Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:32:22 -0800
From: Joshua Houk <jlhouk-AT-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Democracy




Dave Hayman wrote:

> Strange. All your criticisms aimed at my position actually hit yours.
> Hope you don't handle any firearms. I'm sure any further attempts at
> explanation would be futile as far as you're concerned, so I'll spare
> myself the effort.

Dave, you're talking complete and utter nonsense.

Which criticisms did I misfire? To spare yourself the effort, I've made a
little checklist:

[ ] Well, first of all I'm not determined to misinterpret you.

[ ] If you think that I'm acting out of a personal vendetta, then I'm sorry to
let you down so hard.

[ ] I have no personal vendettas, I just calls 'em as I see 'em.

[ ] Secondly, I didn't misinterpret you.

[ ] You stated that a community should prevent someone from doing what they
want with their life vocationally, and it don't take a smartypants to know
that such an action is diametrically opposed to the concept of freedom.

[ ] A non-oppressive system is more oppressive than an oppressive system.
Yeah,
I'll buy that. Har!

[ ] Well, duh! A community has organization by default.

[ ] You don't have a group of people interrelating with each other without
some kind of norms of behavior being accepted.

[ ] But, to "maintain a culture", do you stoop to oppressing people within a
community?

[ ] Sure, though I'm not sure were using the same definitions of
"organization",
but I say there's a possibility of "organization" organizations being within
bounds, though the nature of the beast is to veer away from freedom, but with
the right restraints I won't make a blanket statement against.

[ ] A clear-cut example of what caused me to sever my ties with anarchism:
dolts
like you who would rather demonize people on your own side rather than deal
with the real world.

[ ] "One of the greatest obstacles" my ass!! What a bunch of sectarian
garbage.

[ ] Call me when you've completed your purification of the anarchist
movement...

[ ] I ain't got no troubles... I just know that if it looks like a duck, and
it
quacks like a duck, then by god, I'm having roast duck for dinner.
 
[ ] Yer just lucky.

I'm sorry that I'm so taxing on your mental faculties - but I guess that gives
us an indication of what jobs we shouldn't be letting you have under our
Albert/Hahnel Participatory Economics plan.

Joshua H