Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:32:03 -0800
From: "Senex R. Rupicapra" <olgoat-AT-kdsi.net>
Subject: Slavery, Steve, & Eydie


Dave Coull wrote:
> 
> Andy wrote
> 
> >unless I suppose it was the point that we're all guilty
> >of being  slave owners.
> 
> Nope. The worst you can accuse the ancestral Coulls
> of is the mass murder of fish. My kinfolk probably
> bear a significant responsibility for the present
> depleted state of North Sea fish stocks.
> But we never owned no plantations.
> We never stayed on dry land
> long enough to own much.
> And if the fishing was good
> it was the village pub that
> made a healthy profit.
[snip]
>                          There are islands in
> the West Indies, Barbados for instance, where
> a large percentage of the population can claim
> descent from white slaves, political exiles,
> Irish or Scottish jacobites, who intermarried
> with the black slave population. However,
> there is also plenty of evidence of oppressed
> people themselves becoming slave owners.
> The dispossessed Gaelic speaking Scots
> of South Carolina and Georgia adapted
> to become slave owners, and similar
> things happened on some Carribean
> islands. The Scots in Georgia certainly
> intermarried with the Cherokee and Creek
> and Choctaw indians   -   but  _they_ also
> were slave owners. The fact that terrible things
> happened to the Gaelic speaking Scots,
> or to the Cherokee indians, should not
> blind us to the fact that they were also oppressors.
> I am certainly  _not_  saying "all whites
> are guilty"   -   there were even  _black_
> slave owners in the southern USA.
> There were nearly three hundred
> thousand free blacks in the Old South,
> and a freed black could own an un-free
> black, and quite a lot of them did by
> the time of the American Civil War.
> (And of course, the actual ownership
> of black people by other black people
> continues to this day in countries
> like Mauretania.)
> 
	good point, Dave.  slavery *aint* a thing o the past. 
i am connected with a org that might be called abolitionist:

		THE AMERICAN ANTI-SLAVERY GROUP
		1-800-884-0719   http://www.anti-slavery.org
		P.O. Box 441612, Somerville, MA 02144
it's worth a look.

	BTW, for more about M. Lawrence and his wife Eydie Gorme 
see:
		http://www.fiestajim.com/sande/

	old goat.
	i judge myself by my intentions;
	the world judges me by my actions.
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