Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:48:08 -0600
From: Sandi & Scott Spaeth <vespags-AT-stlnet.com>
Subject: Re: The Dirty Jobs...


At 12:58 PM 2/25/99 EST, Brian J. Callahan tells Dave Hayman, sectarian scum:

>I disagree, mon ami. I think you are locked into the present method of 
>production.  There is no reason people cannot work together in groups and 
>coordinate.  This isn't the same as everybody doing what they want. 

Yeah.  It will drastically alter things, but I don't see, say, a major
cutback in the production of automobiles to be the same as a return to a
hunter/gatherer society.  If it weren't for the money, I'd say only a third
of those presently building automobiles would continue to do so, and we
wouldn't build the crap we presently turn out.  It would return to being a
skilled craft (although likely on a good deal larger scale than specialty
manufacturers right now).  But even on an assembly line, it wouldn't be
difficult to run without managers.  The workers know their jobs better than
than managers do.  

On the other hand, Dave asked why people would continue to be miners, to
which I say, maybe they won't.  Why should they?  Because we need whatever
it is they're mining?  BFD, if we need it so bad, we'll have to figure out
ways to get it, whether becoming miners ourselves, or (more likely) using
our brains and technology to design a way to get by without miners.  And
that's a good thing, because mining (no matter how you adorn it) is a shit
job that no one should have to do, although I'm willing to bet that there
are a handful of miners who do like their job and would contiue doing it.
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo.  

Now this is just my view, but any group, organization, or society that
*requires* suffering or sacrifice from any members just so it can function
is a tyranny, has lost it's moral right to exist, and should be destroyed.
Although I shouldn't have said 'right', because an organization has no
rights, it's merely a mental construct to facilitate the needs and desires
of individuals.  And when a number of individuals begins to oppress others,
it's time to destroy that organization and start afresh. Or so say I.

Cheers,
Scott 
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