Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:11:49 -0500 (EST)
From: danceswithcarp <dcombs-AT-bloomington.in.us>
Subject: Re: NATO doesn't want diplomacy



hello, dave:  WELCOME TO AMERICA.  You're going to see more flakes in
California than you've ever seen in any Scottish snow-swirl.  Damn place
is like a blizzard blew in, never left, and just keeps on dumping...

Anyways, your time is short and you and I are going to disagree on this so
don't wirry about wirrying.  If you make it here to
Indy-by-gawd-anna--which is the distance from London to beyond Warsaw and
there's still another 900 miles left to span the place---you can rest
assured I'd buy you more american beer than you could puke.

On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Dave Coull wrote:
> >some hard cash for the state in order to avoid the sanctions.  
> 
> Well of course Milosevic would like to hang on to that if he can.
> He may be a vicious tyrant, but he can put two and two together.
> But the point I was making still stands. Milosevic has used
> Serb nationalism to establish himself in power, but as well
> as using Serb nationalism he is also a prisoner of Serb
> nationalism. 

So he is misunderstood?  This then demands we to forgive him for his
faults?   And the people who rally to him, they are immune because their
misguidedness is natural?

Oh.

> Serb nationalism is very much tied up with 
> the Serbian Orthodox Church. Milosevic may be an atheist,
> but a lot of his "supporters"   -   or, more accurately, his
> allies   -   are not. And there is no way that they will ever 
> agree to hand over sites which they regard as holy ground.

You, at least until you breath american air, are loyal to your land also.
And if some nutty state came in to take it away from you, no matter what
their nutty "British" ambitions were, I'd recommend NATO bomb the shit out
of your place to save it too.  Because I like you, dave.  And I think
you'd appreciate the help of killing your oppressor even if it came from
the devil herself.  I mean can you honestly say, "carp:  I'd appreciate
your efforts in trying to misdirect and deflect NATO into acting against
my enemy, but let +me+ run off these pom shits."

Tell me it's as clear as that, dave.

> Milosevic could, if he absolutely had to, reluctantly hand over 
> a gold mine and get away with it ; but if he puts the religious 
> sites into Muslim hands, then he gets denounced as a traitor 
> to the Serb nation and to Christianity ,  and then he gets 
> assassinated.

In 1987 Milosevic went to Kosovo and had a vision.  He started calling
himself by name, the reincarnate of "Prince Lazar" who was killed at that
battle in 1389, um, whatever it was where the heretic Turks kicked Serb
ass.  At that time he gave a speech to a part of the 15% of the Kosovo
population that is of Serb extraction.  As the Serbs went bonkers and
started attaking the Kosovo Kops, Milosevic told them:  "No one should
dare to beat you."  And ever since he's been planning on turning the 15%
into a majority.

Yes, Milosevic is a prisoner of serb nationalism and religion and serb
nationalism and religion is a prisoner of Milosevic.  So this reality we
are confronted with is so absurd that EVERYONE INVOLVED GETS IMMUNITY FOR
CRIMES AGAINST HUMYNITY?  

Who then, pays?

Oh.  We condemn NATO for acting against who we all agree is a "vicious
tyrant," who for national/religious/political purposes claims to be a 14th
century "Prince" who doesn't just have rhetorical blood on his hands but
who holds the bloody hand of Arkan, the true living heir of Adolf Eichman
etal who killed tens of thousands in Bosnia?

Man, if this is the side we should take let me quote Martin Sheen in
"Apocaplypse Now:  "Things are so fucked up you need a scorecard just
to keep track..."
 
> Serb ultra-nationalism was around long before Milosevic
> made that speech. He didn't invent it. Certainly he is guilty
> of using Serb nationalism, and of encouraging ethnic cleansing,
> but Serb ultra-nationalism wouldn't go away if Milosevic did. 
> He is a prisoner of the creature he himself has encouraged.

If this gives one immunity, then should not roger and I both be accepted
into the living rooms of anarchoes everywhere?  We are but mere captives
of our ethnicity.

> This war is continuing because NATO wants it to.

Yup.  And because Milosevic did not call off the dogs in Bosnia until he
and they were beaten to a pulp by war.

> The deal which the Russians got Milosevic to agree
> to could be used as a way of ending the war by negotiation
> now. The refugees could go home, the bombing could stop.

Did you ever hear of the american serial killer Jeff Dahmler?  He killed
people for some weird sexual thrill, and then he ate parts of them.  One
night a Laotian boy who Jeffrey was fixing to eat got away and was found
naked on a Milwaulkee street, bleeding, and obviously he had been beaten
and tortured.  The cops came and in their ignorance they believed Jeff
when he told them it was merely a lover's spat, so the sent the naked,
bleeding and beaten Laotian boy back with Jeff to the apartment.

Guess what?  The Laotian was good with Hoisin Sauce and a mild beer. Then
Jeff had around 6 more young boys over for dinner before he ate his last.

And those cops who found the boy on the street were +crucified+ --and
rightly so--for putting the victim back with the killer and not stopping
him then; and we all helped drive the nails. "How dumb," we all asked,
"Can cops be to put the victims back with the criminal?"

Now you say it's okay to send 750,000 bleeding people back to Kosovo
because Milosevic says he has Arkan on a leash and the Russians guarantee
it?  

This is going to require a lot of woks.

Enjoy california.  The gook food on the west coast is divine.


carp