Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:22:10 -0500 (EST)
From: danceswithcarp <dcombs-AT-bloomington.in.us>
Subject: Re: Aaron likes butchers




On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 blumson-AT-email.com wrote:

> None of us who are many kilometers away from the event have any clear
> idea of what is going on in kosovo and most of us dont care either but
> are content to wallow in self-righteousness by critiscising every
> party involved (even when they deserve it). 

Yes.  But we don't have to be 100% knowledgable to look at what is
happening and decide what looks wirst.


> But if we really cared
> about what was going on in kosovo we would go there and try to solve
> it ourselves. 

Oh.  This is sort of like saying unless you've been raped you can not
speak of the horrors of rape.  This is the elitist approach.  If this was
a real solution then the Nazis would still be frying slavs, gypsies, and
jews because no one outside of those people could have opinions on it.

> i do not hold any illusions that this would acomplish
> anymore than nato has but i do believe that this is what anyone who
> genuinly believed intervention to be nescasary should do as was done
> in the spanish civil war or as is done by thousands of NGO's. 
Anyone
> who saids that NATO should intervene in yugoslavia without having been
> themselves is simply passing off their guilt to a third party becasue
> they dont care about it themselves. 

See rape comment above.


> The reason we dont live in an
> anarchic society is because people are always prepared to pass up
> their responsibilities to deal with cirme, to create infrustructure,
> of education and a multitude more to government. 

Not all people punt.  You should be careful of generalizations.  I seem to
be keeping quite busy wirking on what are Big Porblems around here.

> NATO intervention is
> supported by small minded people who feel guilty about watching these
> things happen but are too afraid to act themselves and so pass the
> problem on to governments. 

Hahahahahaha.  I get it.  I'm supposed to abandon my children and go to
Kosovo.  Then my children become someone else's porblems.  Meanwhile, what
things I wirk on here are thrown to the wind because according to you a
person can only be committed to one issue at a time and then only in the
area they are in.  This rule leaves a lot to be desired.  

Abbie Hoffman was worng.  Get real.

> In the same way serbs put their own racial
> prejudices into the hands of the army because they done want to deal
> with them themselves. If you truly feel that peace should come to
> kosovo then go there yourself and dont try to salve your conseince by
> allowing what is basicaly imperialism. 

I don't know if this is imperialism or not.  Imperialism has a definition
that has to do with exploitation etc. etc.  I'm not sure--and I'm one of
the few people on this list that will admit it--what exactly the motives
of the war are.  I have consistently said the U$ should not be involved
and if there is a porblem it should be the europeans who deal with it.
Euopeans passed the ball to the U$.  I can't help that.  

> Two people i know of who have
> done this (and are from a non-Nato country) are in jail for spying
> despite the fact that they are humanitarian workers. They have been
> courageous enough to play their own part in the crisis and not allowed
> themselves to be misrepresented by half hearted incompetent
> governments who want nothing more than a quick fix. 

Well, good for them.  I hope they get out safely and I also hope 1
million albanians get back to their homes safely.  But I'm of the mind
it is not the governments who are demanding the quick fix.  People seem to
have the idea that centuries old porblems can be fixed in a matter of
days--anarchists included.


> Otherwise you have
> no right to be condoning the bombing of millions for the sake of
> peace. 

Oh, bullshit.  If we use your standards we can't think about or support
solutions in Timor, Chiapas, Bougainville, Rwanda, South Central Los
Angeles, the South Side of Chicago, Columbia or any part of the wirld we
aren't in.   Where are you going to draw these boundaries that prohibit
thought?  Eyesight?  Sound Distance?   

Of course this could be a plus as it would cut down on the lame reasoning
"leftists" use to oppose about everything.

> A bully is often after a little sympathy or feels a lack of
> confidance. though an effective short term solution violence doesn't
> solve the cause 

Not necessarily 100% true.  Force applied correctly can forestall further
violence.  This will give Aaron time to negotiate with the rapist while we
all hold hands and hope the rapist doesn't fuck you.

>yours in hypocrisy Ben Blumson

I'm fairly consistent.  Don't know about you, nor do I care to.


carp