From: "ben blumson" <autumnsprung-AT-freemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Anarchy Magazine and Violence
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:32:26 +1000




At 1999-04-29 01:46:52.575000, 
danceswithcarp (dcombs-AT-bloomington.in.us) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, ben blumson wrote:
> 
> >  
> > > Actually, chuck0, I am really on the verge of unsubbing
> > 
> > That would be a huge loss im sure.
> 
> Not for me it wouldn't.   There's a pet store about a mile from my 
> house.
> If I want to communicate with parrots I can go there.
> 
And if I want to listen to mild putdowns i can go to;
http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG

> Not really.  If you/we had any "power" over events there the ethnic
> cleansing would stop.  You and I both know that your statement 
> should
> read: "We +may+ have a little power as far as living in liberal
> democracies goes, towards affecting the policies of the liberal
> democracies.  We have ZERO power to influence the fascist war 
> criminals
> who have now displaced 1.2 million Albanian ethnics.  Therefore, 
> being
> powerless to confront the true fascists, well, let's simply do 
> something
> like attack the liberal democracies."
> 
> This argument is really a pathetic attempt to come up with an 
> acceptable
> "leftist" position. 

so if it was the former soviet union intervening violently (or at all) in kosovo it would be wrong but if its a liberal democracy its alright. I don't really give a damn what kind of government is doing what, if it was anarchists bombing serbia i would opose it as much as if it were fascists. Milosivichs regime is commiting atrocities NATO's actions are far from innocent, they've caused a new wave of killing in kosovo in retaliation as well as killing lots of others by bombs. I think human life is more important than 'liberal democracies'.
Aswell as this NATO itself is a 'defensive' aliance which goes to show that what a thing is called has little to do with what it does. Id be deeply ingratiated though if someone could tell me how nato is meant to work. ive learnt a lot about the un but nothing on NATO.

 
> Ah, if you re-read what I've written I've always advocated doing
> something.  NATO's bombing has always been a lesser choice.  I have
> strongly advocated intervention by the people closest (europeans) 
> to the
> scene.  I don't give a crapola if the "intervention" involves 
> armed force
> or not.  Personally I think this would be a wonderful opportunity 
> for all
> of the "leftist" pacifists to walk right into Kosovo and sit right 
> down
> and see if that phony technique wirks when you confront a real 
> butcher.
> 
> And for what it's wirth, I'm willing to sacrifice every pacifist 
> in europe
> just to see me proved worng.

What ever action you've suggested its nearly always involved killing people and i think inaction is preferable to that though you seem to care little so long as their not American.
cheers
bb


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