Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jamal Hannah <jah-AT-iww.org>
Subject: Re: FWD: [Exploitation and How it Affects You - An Anarchist     Perspective]


On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Chuck0 wrote:

> 
> 
> Jamal Hannah wrote:
> > 
> > On 29 Oct 1999 madwizardfury-AT-marijuana.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Correction: another boringly humorless diatribe
> > 
> > Bullshit. Youre the one that's boring. You're lifestylist crap is
> > tiresome.  You want to be stimulated.. titilated.. hedonized, but you cant
> > face or acceop hard reality. I like to have fun too, but it's nice to take
> > some things seriously. Fighting capitalism
> > is a serious thing, even for anarchists.  You have no problems with
> > capitalism, so I dont think you could be called an anarchist.. why do you
> > come here and bother us?  Youre full of shit.
> > 
> > Youre the kind of guy who jerks off while reading Hakim Bey, John Zerzan,
> > or Bob Black.  You want everything packaged slick and cool,. and thrown at
> > you like modern advertizing. You love capitalism cuz it's more fun to see
> > people running around trying to survive then seeing them happy and getting
> > along. Get a life, and get lost.
> 
> Madwizardfury does have a good point Jamal. Many members of the
> "anarchist movement" lack a sense of humor and knowledge of how to have
> fun. They also organize crap that most working people have no time to
> attend.
> 
> If you aren't having fun, then you're not being very effective.
> 
> Why do you think the anarchist scene here in DC is growing by leaps and
> bounds? Could it be because we've echewed that annoying anarchist
> approach of starting an organization and expecting everyone to join it
> because it has the correct ideological position. Could it be more
> successful because we're laid back, don't worry about who's an anarchist
> or not, put on social events, and build a community of local resistance
> that people enjoy being a part of?
> 
> You guys make fun of the boring ISO and their newspaper drives, so why
> do you replicate their organizing style?

I dont remember posting my message to the anarchy-list.. who's posting
"irrelevent" stuff to the list just to stir shit up now, Chuck?

And thats baloney. Every anti-capitalist anarchist I know has a sense of
fun.  I object to this idiot's support of capitalism, and his unrealistic
attitude, not the idea of making the anarchist movement cool.

I think Eroticide wrote a pretty good article about Exploitation.  These
folks trashed it because they cant handle the idea of anarchism that is
anti-capitalist.  This is the first time in a while someone's posted
something to these lists that actualy concretely criticized capitalism,
and we can see the capitalists crawl out of the woodwork to denounce it.

I have nothing against being fun and interesting. Why the hell do you
think I'm doing my own anarchist comics?  This guy just claims that the
article was "boring" as a red-herring... he wants to make people focus on
that issue, rather than the main one, which was: is capitalism about
exploitation, or isnt it?

When people dismiss a theory and claim it's boring, what that really means
is they cant handle the reality it presents. (Well, ok, maybe Das Kapital
is pretty boring).  I think that in this case these guys are just trying
the "bait and switch" teqnique: claiming they are all for fun, while
leading people toward more exploitation.

 - Jamal