Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 07:07:12 -0800 From: "Senex R. Rupicapra" <olgoat-AT-kdsi.net> Subject: Re: Property damage and "violence" Andy wrote: > > >One of the reasons i ask is that we have these ongoing debates with > >capitalists, particularly "anarcho"-capitalists about "choice" and > >"freedom" under capitalism. It's pretty common for the capitalists to > >claim that "nobody is coerced" under capitalism - meaning, roughly (and > >sometimes precisely), "nobody holds a gun on you and makes you go to > >work." And it's pretty common for anarchists to patiently explain that > >there is more than one kind of coercion, that one can be robbed of freedom > >as effectively (or moreso) by systemic and/or indirect means. That seems, > >in fact, to be a favorite method of limiting freedom, at least in the > >"first world." Systemic control, with enough threat of simply repressive > >force to remind us that it's finally our bodies that are in the balance. > > > >Isn't capitalism itself violent in all of its manifestations, not simply > >in its more direct forms of repression and control? > > Capitalists tend to concentrate exclusively on observable decision making > processes, which are more or less "apparently" democratic. They ignore the > agenda setting issue which is where the co-ercion comes in. An analogy from > history: > > I say to my 2 year old daughter, "Put your coat on, we're going to the > shops" > She says, "I don't want to." > I say, "Well if you don't do that, we'll have to tidy up all these toys [or > other unpalatable choice]" > She puts coat on. I despise myself. > > Capitalism is like that. yep, and so is "human nature". power corrupts, remember? y gots a 2-year-old daughter. y're either younker than i thought or y're a really long-distance runner. either way, steady on. old goat. our fathers' seeds contain too many weeds. ÐÏ à¡± á
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