From: SnoWStorM01-AT-aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:26:34 EST
Subject: Re: Euegene: 


Here's what I said to the iggnorant kid.  In reading your article, I regret 
to say I am thoroughly disgusted.  Your thoughts are posed with little or no 
thought in the matter.  How can you say things like "Pollution, which is now 
responsibly regulated by government, would become commonplace."  Most 
anarchisms are against pollution.  Which is why many of us boycott the 
corporations like McDonald's and such which thoughtlessly destroy our 
remaining rainforests.  Speaking of McDonald's, if you have a chance, I'd 
like you to look at the site www.meatstinks.com.  Personally, I am not a 
vergitarian, but it has an interesting little article about where the meat in 
your Big Mac has been and just how cruel the animals are treated before 
slaughter.  Does your government keep that in check?  "Peaceful discussion of 
relevant political topics can produce positive solutions."  So launching 
missiles into Kosovo is your definition of "peaceful discussions?"  Does it 
just not count as violence if the missiles aren't fired into your back yard?  
Try telling the Seattle police about "non-violence."  I think we anarchists 
had the non-violence covered in this situation.  The Seattle police however 
eliminated the idea of peaceful protest.  They declared an all out war on the 
community and surrounding subburbs.  If you read articles from both sides; 
Not just the medias dull coverage of it, you will realize that the 
destruction of a few windows was both well planned and necisary.  How else 
could the protestors get the media coverage of the police attacking harmless 
citizens.  Did you know a 65 year old woman had her arm broken by police as 
she attempted to escape the riot?  The destruction of windows was done only 
to those corporations that destroy our rainforests and polute our rivers, but 
I guess your government is keeping that in check right?



In a message dated 01/08/00 1:22:36 PM Central Standard Time, mcpgsly-AT-mta.ca 
writes:

<<  
 > Mario Miranda: Anarchy would take us back to chaotic past
 > By MARIO MIRANDA
 > 20 Below Columnist, Elmira High<
 > 
 > THE PROTESTS against the World Trade Organization in Seattle have
 > brought national attention to something our local community has been
 > aware of for a while: the anarchist movement. News footage from the
 > Seattle melee conjured up images of Eugene's own violent,
 > anarchist-spawned protest of last June that is still fresh in area
 > residents' minds.
 > 
 >  I do not agree with the anarchy movement's agenda. The tactics used 
 to
 > inspire their brand of social change are simply violent and 
 destructive.
 > They have little use in a democratic society that thrives on 
 peaceful
 > coexistence of ideas.
 > 
 > A main concern of anarchists during the protests was that they were 
 not
 > being represented properly by the media. I have spent hours 
 researching
 > and have found numerous articles. I've seen quotes written by, 
 presented
 > by or said by anarchists. So as not to misrepresent the anarchists'
 > message, I refute only these pro-anarchy sources as I present my 
 case
 > against them.
 > 
 >  "It (anarchy) has nothing to do with chaos and destruction, 
 except the
 > destruction of authority."
 > 
 > To some anarchists, the definition of authority must extend beyond
 > government and the like to Starbucks coffee shops and Taco Bell
 > restaurants, both of which have been damaged by anarchists' hands.
 > Recent events have proven that the true nature of anarchy is one of
 > destruction and violence.
 > 
 >  "Police - calling them pigs is an insult to pigs. Cops grunt 
 when
 > they're happy, like when they're beating someone up."
 > 
 > The vast majority of police officers in this country are dedicated, 
 and
 > just individuals. People who obey the law have no reason to fear 
 police
 > officers. To generalize that all police officers are brutes who 
 enjoy
 > savagery shows a lack of scholarship on the part of some anarchists.
 > Police should be thanked, not insulted, for the blanket of security 
 they
 > provide for the public.
 >  
 >  "Baptizing children is against religious freedom. We 
 (anarchists)
 > therefore demand to enforce the right to religious freedom, which 
 will
 > mean a ban on baptizing babies and all religious brainwashing."
 > 
 > When I first read this, I was amazed at its flagrant stupidity and
 > assumed that it was not a very widely held belief even among 
 anarchists.
 > However, after coming across the same anti-baptismal theme again and
 > again in the literature, I decided that it should be included. There 
 is
 > no need for me to argue the point they are trying to make, as it
 > contradicts itself.
 > 
 >  "Capitalism is a primary cause of oppression and racism."
 > 
 > Capitalism is color blind. If anything, it helps erase racism by
 > creating a financial market that all races are free to participate 
 in
 > and prosper from.
 > 
 >  "All governments survive on extortion - called taxation - and 
 force
 > their decrees on us, commanding obedience under threat of harsh
 > punishment."
 > 
 > In an anarchist society - one without government or authority - who
 > would build roads, protect the environment and defend the people?
 > According to many anarchists, everyone will take care of these 
 things in
 > the spirit of cooperation. Our system of taxes works to assure that
 > needed public works take place and our protection is ensured.
 > 
 >  "Anarchist education would encourage cooperation and respect, 
 while
 > seeking to fully develop the potentials of each person."
 > 
 > It seems as though anarchist education could more accurately be 
 titled
 > propaganda. I can't help wondering, if people do not "fully develop
 > their potential," are they re-educated to make them think "right"
 > thoughts? In this case, many anarchists send a mixed message. They 
 are
 > all for nonconforming - as long as you conform to their standards.
 > 
 > I see an anarchist world as a bleak one where chaos would run 
 rampant.
 > The strong would dominate the weak, without any fear of reprisal 
 from
 > authority. Pollution, which is now responsibly regulated by 
 government,
 > would become commonplace. Roads would fall into disrepair and 
 defense
 > would be limited to whatever a group of people with exactly the same
 > interests could muster. Crimes would go unsolved. The list goes on 
 and
 > on. We left that kind of living when we evolved; let's not return to 
 it.
 > 
 > Democracy has its share of problems, but it is the best form of
 > government on Earth today and ever. It is not a mistake to try to 
 renew
 > America, but it is a mistake to try what already has failed.  
 Peaceful
 > discussion of relevant political topics can produce positive 
 solutions.
 > 
 > Anarchy is flawed, illogical and by its very nature 
 counterproductive.
 > Its place is in our past, and that is where it should stay.
 > 
 > Mario Miranda is a senior at Elmira High. He can be reached by 
 e-mail at
 > repclub-AT-hotmail.com. >>