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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:30:54 -0600
From: Sandi & Scott Spaeth <vespass-AT-toast.net>
Subject: Re: Ivan Illich?



At 11:11 AM 2/11/00 +1000, Jeremy Dixon wrote:
>  I hate to think what he says about the Net if he's still alive.

Which is funny, the web is magnitudes of order better than his idea of 
giving people tape recorders so they can make, borrow and trade tapes. Of 
course the internet can do easily everything he hoped for educationally 
speaking, but it seems like he'd still want legislation to "protect" it.



>He was big on limits, trying to violate natural limits tended to defeat 
>its purpose. For example trying to abolish pain and death past a certain 
>point made life unworth living. Or, trying to travel too fast frustrated 
>the ends of travel. Outside of a circus, he reckoned, there was no place 
>for a vehicle travelling more than ten miles per hour. (The exact level of 
>the limit is less important than the calim that there should be a limit).

His anti-personal transportation rants are very annoying.  He simply 
doesn't understand the love of individual transport as an end in itself 
rather than a means to a destination.

It's kind of sad, his critique of institutional education is so good, but 
it's consistently undermined by his belief in the-one-true-way(tm) to mass 
happiness.

C'est la vie,
Scott
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