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From: "David James" <shddemon-AT-concentric.net>
Subject: [Anarchy] RE: Jesus a Communist?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:09:15 -0700



>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TheScu Speaks" <thescu-AT-philosophers.net>
> To: <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:33 AM
> Subject: [Anarchy] RE: Jesus a Communist?
>
>
> > i think that we have strayed off topic slightly, which is is Yeshua a
> communist/anarchist? i think we can clearly say yes. the argument that
> Yeshua claimed he was one-third of the supreme power is wrong, the trinity
> is a construction of the latter church, not a claim of Yeshua. Yeshua's
> message of Love and inclusion, his attack of wealth (The Love of money is
> the root of all evil, it is easier to get a camal through an eye of an
> needle than for a rich man to enter the Gates of Heaven)
> > the sermon on the mount, the beatitudes, Yeshua is pretty clearly a
> radical.
> > Love
> > TheScuIsAnChristian
>
> There IS a tradition of radical Christian Anarchism. See:
> The Kingdom of God is Within You by Leo Tolstoy
> Freedom and the Spirit by Nicolai Berdyeav
> Christian Anarchy: Jesus's primacy over the powers by Vernard Eller
> Anarchy & Christianity by Jacques Ellul.
>
> These are useful books for bringing Christians aboard.. Better a Christian
> anarchist
> than a  reactionary Christian.
>
> In most of these books, it seems like they focus on Jesus and ignore Paul,
> although
> they usually spend a couple pages refuting Romans 13.
>
> They also dismiss that crap about him dying for our sins or something. He
> died as
> a martyr for choosing to live the way he did, but I guess he figured it
was
> better to
> love people and be killed for it than to be an asshole and live to old
age.
> That's a
> sentiment I share.
>
>
> (Personally, though I don't really have any kind of fondness for Paul, I
> think that "submit to
> the authorities" was kind of tongue-in-cheek after his whole "overcome
evil
> with good" thing.
> I think it was ridiculously exaggerated ("they are servants of God who
give
> their whole
> time to governing..") so that people would realize how stupid it was and
> that he was just
> kissing the Romans' ass. After all, his letter was going to Rome, and
could
> have been intercepted
> by the authorities, putting peoples' lives in danger.)
>
> Unfortunately, Paul didn't realize how stupid fundamentalists can get.
> Probably because
> he wasn't too bright either, he screwed over Jesus's whole plan.
>
> If it takes Jesus Christ 3 years to convert 11 people, so that he's
> satisfied they're not going to fuck his
> message up, and for three years he was always marvelling at how they
> couldn't understand shit, and He's _God_, let's say, then if Paul is going
> around converting thousands of people a year, he's probably fucking shit
up
> somehow. "No servant is greater than his master," Jesus said. It took him
> 1000 days to make himself clear to 11 people, this isn't
> some simple shit, this is anarchy people. You sell your possessions, you
> give your money away. Boom. You walk around, "oh shit, what do I do, I'll
> starve".. no, see, you go and ask this guy here, do you need some help?
> Don't
> worry about what you'll need, see watch.." And so they get into the whole
> mindset like that, and then I guess
> others would follow the apostles around and get into that mindset too..
> theoretically.
>
> Then Paul takes 11 days to fuck up 1000 people. etc, etc. here we are.
>
> Whoever God is, (s)he probably doesn't like Paul. He destroyed the whole
> world by fucking up gullible peoples'
> minds. Although I guess if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone
> else.. Christianity rots easily. But
> Jesus was still pretty cool, IMHO (especially in the Gospel of Thomas:
> "Businessmen and merchants will not
> enter the places of my Father."). Wish the Christians would listen to him.
>
>
>                                             Dave
>




   

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