From: "David James" <shddemon-AT-concentric.net> Subject: [Anarchy] RE: Jesus a Communist? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:09:15 -0700 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TheScu Speaks" <thescu-AT-philosophers.net> > To: <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:33 AM > Subject: [Anarchy] RE: Jesus a Communist? > > > > i think that we have strayed off topic slightly, which is is Yeshua a > communist/anarchist? i think we can clearly say yes. the argument that > Yeshua claimed he was one-third of the supreme power is wrong, the trinity > is a construction of the latter church, not a claim of Yeshua. Yeshua's > message of Love and inclusion, his attack of wealth (The Love of money is > the root of all evil, it is easier to get a camal through an eye of an > needle than for a rich man to enter the Gates of Heaven) > > the sermon on the mount, the beatitudes, Yeshua is pretty clearly a > radical. > > Love > > TheScuIsAnChristian > > There IS a tradition of radical Christian Anarchism. See: > The Kingdom of God is Within You by Leo Tolstoy > Freedom and the Spirit by Nicolai Berdyeav > Christian Anarchy: Jesus's primacy over the powers by Vernard Eller > Anarchy & Christianity by Jacques Ellul. > > These are useful books for bringing Christians aboard.. Better a Christian > anarchist > than a reactionary Christian. > > In most of these books, it seems like they focus on Jesus and ignore Paul, > although > they usually spend a couple pages refuting Romans 13. > > They also dismiss that crap about him dying for our sins or something. He > died as > a martyr for choosing to live the way he did, but I guess he figured it was > better to > love people and be killed for it than to be an asshole and live to old age. > That's a > sentiment I share. > > > (Personally, though I don't really have any kind of fondness for Paul, I > think that "submit to > the authorities" was kind of tongue-in-cheek after his whole "overcome evil > with good" thing. > I think it was ridiculously exaggerated ("they are servants of God who give > their whole > time to governing..") so that people would realize how stupid it was and > that he was just > kissing the Romans' ass. After all, his letter was going to Rome, and could > have been intercepted > by the authorities, putting peoples' lives in danger.) > > Unfortunately, Paul didn't realize how stupid fundamentalists can get. > Probably because > he wasn't too bright either, he screwed over Jesus's whole plan. > > If it takes Jesus Christ 3 years to convert 11 people, so that he's > satisfied they're not going to fuck his > message up, and for three years he was always marvelling at how they > couldn't understand shit, and He's _God_, let's say, then if Paul is going > around converting thousands of people a year, he's probably fucking shit up > somehow. "No servant is greater than his master," Jesus said. It took him > 1000 days to make himself clear to 11 people, this isn't > some simple shit, this is anarchy people. You sell your possessions, you > give your money away. Boom. You walk around, "oh shit, what do I do, I'll > starve".. no, see, you go and ask this guy here, do you need some help? > Don't > worry about what you'll need, see watch.." And so they get into the whole > mindset like that, and then I guess > others would follow the apostles around and get into that mindset too.. > theoretically. > > Then Paul takes 11 days to fuck up 1000 people. etc, etc. here we are. > > Whoever God is, (s)he probably doesn't like Paul. He destroyed the whole > world by fucking up gullible peoples' > minds. Although I guess if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone > else.. Christianity rots easily. But > Jesus was still pretty cool, IMHO (especially in the Gospel of Thomas: > "Businessmen and merchants will not > enter the places of my Father."). Wish the Christians would listen to him. > > > Dave >
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