Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:39:45 -0500
From: Old Goat <olgoat-AT-kdsi.net>
Subject: Re: (en) US, Eugene Orgone, Goodbye Leftism! A report from LosAngeles


Unka Bart wrote:

>   Anyone who starts out with a declaration like:
>
> >> Consciously or not, most people would rather die than live a permanently
> unsatisfying life.
>
> is so seriously "Clue-Deprived" that nothing else they have to say can be
> taken seriously by anyone with two functioning neurons to rub together.
>
> Most people would rather live, period.  Once that merely living, (simply
> surviving, if you will) is no longer an issue, most people would like to live
> in the absence of misery, if not in the lap of luxury and "satisfying" life
> is pretty far up the Maslowian pyramid.
>
> But in my 61+ years (eat your ancient heart out, Goat), I have *never* met an
> individual, not one, who would rather die than live; even if choosing to live
> meant accepting a permanently unsatisfying life (whatever the fuck "a
> permanently unsatisfying life" is supposed to mean).  And I have met a large
> number of people who live fairly unsatisfying lives with no identifiable
> prospects of changing that situation anytime in the forseeable future, not a
> one of whom is eager to check-out of "the Vale of Tears" motel, even a minute
> prior to their own mandatory check-out time.

well, it would appear that the stormy season has returned to FL and the
venerable Unkas has his essential chores did.

my experience has been considerable and even the folk i know who have come to
grips with their mortality generally display no hasty desire to shuffle off
this mortal coil.

i had a boyhood friend who went to the gas chamber for his earthly misdeeds.
whilst awaiting his execution he had a death row conversion toward a belief in
a hereafter.  i'm told, and have no reason to doubt, that his turnabout was
genuine.  he refused any but the mandatory appeals and faced his end with
equanimity.  but when the pill dropped he held his breath as long as he could.

auch, i have known several suicides (and attempted same myself a time or three)
my guess is that most such folk are unbalanced, witness their seeking a
permanent solution to a more - than - likely temporary problem.

the term "a permanently unsatisfying life" confuses me in the respect that i
have yet to see one (life) that is permanent.  even Mama Goat (me ma) who is 92
has told me that she expects the reaper momentarily.  she is spry and sharp but
has confided to me that she quit buying green bananas quite some time back.
she is, however, in no hurry to leave, she says.

as to satisfaction, it has been my experience that such is a personal choice.
whether or not i find my tenure on planet earth to be satisfactory is totally
up to me, vis a vis my expectations doncha know.  if i am stupid enow to let
somebody else define whether or no my lifestyle is "satisfactory" then i
deserve whatever suffering i have, in effect, chosen.

> Yeah, I realize that the quotation is from (another) twit, not the author of
> the piece you forwarded.  But the simple act of choosing that quotation to
> preface his remarks, shows that the author, Jack Wilde, is a twit himself and
> wouldn't recognize a clue if it leaped up and bit him on the ass.
>
> I confess to being lame-brained, ancient and slow, but thank dog (as you can
> see, I'm also dyslexic) I am *not* a clueless piss-ant like the terminally
> brain-dead Mr. Price.
>
>
> You forward a bunch of good stuff to the list, ChuckO, me dear, and yer
> kindly ol' unka Bart both admires and thanks you for doing so; and fervently
> prays that you will continue.  This (Mr. Price's article), however, is drivel
> and I refuse to read drivel for the same reason I refuse to search for
> diamonds in dogshit.A diamond ocassionally can  be found in dogshit (dogs eat
> anything they find, diamonds included).  That doesn't change the nature of
> dogshit... or drivel.

i guess i never stopped to think whether gods even shit, let alone what they
eat.  nous vivons et nous apprenons, n'est pas vrai?

 old goat.
 pain is inescapable;
 suffering is optional.
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