Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:45:20 -0700
From: "TheScu Speaks" <thescu-AT-philosophers.net>
Subject: RE: ever notice...




i've been moving into college, so if i missed anything i need to specifically reply to, let me know...


>> >you are a sexist piece of paternalistic shit.


>Now this is just my opinion, and having been wrong many, many times before, 
it wouldn't surprise greatly if I was wrong again,<

i could be wrong as well, but i feel the need to reply.

>BUT I think the first 
step towards any meaningful liberation is to drop the language of 
victimization.<

What exactly do you mean by language of victimization? my problems with your post might be a simple misunderstanding. 
 
>NO one who has ever seriously used the word "paternalism" 
will ever be in a position to do a damn thing about it.<

someone can be paternalistic without actually having someone submit. 

>Nothing, nada, 
name calling doesn't count.<

Doesn't count towards what?

>A LOT of people think each of us is an idiot, 
a fool, a childish idealist.  Get used to it, your tantrums won't change 
them,<

i think you misunderstand the natures of the so-called "tanturms." it isn't to change the intentional oppresor, instead it challenges people's paradigms, those who have never thought of things might rethink. but more importantly, it serves to stop marginalized voices. you can rally people to your cause. specifically, it allows people to know that they are victims, that it is not their fault. this is the first step to liberation, to know there is something to liberate yourself. rape victims, spouse abuse victims, child abiuse victims, etc. they need to know... the language of victimization gives them the power to express this.
  
>if anything they help the "oppressors" along, because words like 
paternalistic acknowledge a state of affairs that are out of your 
hands.  You're just a poor suffering victim, what can you do against the 
>big, bad, paternalistic daddy's?<

No no, first you have to know what is happening to you is wrong. the man beaten by his girlfriend, hasgot to learn that that is wrong, it is not his fault, he is a victim. then you learn to fight actions that are wrong.

>And that's how they like it, you just 
wait and complain until they decide to be good; or slightly less to their 
individual benefit, but staying true to their world view, you could rebel 
and try to force them to be good.  Either way, you still lose in the long 
>run by accepting their principles of force and coercion.<

it is not an acceptance, it is the beginning of anti-acceptence. the realization that some actions are wrong, and are not our fault.
Love
TheScu





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