From: durgaldur-AT-juno.com
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:11:47 +0000
Subject: those wacky trots


I just got back from an SWP forum on "anarchism vs. socialism" that
wasn't announced until yesterday.  Anarchists outnumbered the Trots 2 to
1.  We had a good time making fun of them and shooting down every point
they made.  They of course stayed true to form and used the same
arguements that every trot makes.  But I have a question, is the SWP from
the US and the SWP from the UK connected?  They tried to say that they
weren't when I brought up the disgrace at Prague.  For anyone who hasn't
been to one of these forums, please watch out because one of the things
they like to do is take a bunch of questions/comments and not answer them
individually but all at once.  This ends up with them giving another 10
minute boring and confusing speech.  I was getting ready to join if it
would just shut them up!  :-)

Here for your amusement is their post about the forum

---durg

Anarchism vs. the Struggle for a Workers and Farmers Government

At various points in the history of the working class movement, anarchism
has arisen as a tendency in opposition to socialism, and today anarchist
groups have sprung up among young people in a number of
cities around the country.  Anarchists regard the state as the central
problem facing humanity rather than the capitalist economic and social
system. Accordingly, they advocate abstaining from political action.  In
practice, this has meant that in revolutionary situations, anarchists do
not distinguish between the capitalist state and the organized
revolutionary power of the workers and farmers, and therefore end up
becoming opponents of revolutionary change.

Revolutionary working class leaders from Marx and Engels to Lenin and
Trotsky have argued against anarchism and explained why it does not offer
a revolutionary strategy for the oppressed.  This forum will provide an
opportunity to discuss the two counterposed ideologies and how the
struggle to end oppression can be advanced.