Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:32:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pugsley <wobbly8-AT-mail.com>
Subject: Re: Violence and support directed at Block Block


I'm hoping the same things for the Blck Bloc because it was something I've
never heard before, thousands of people were cheering them on like heroes.
Some of the Black Bloc members were yelling for people to join them, so I
don't think there were any feelings of power or more anti-capitalist than
thou.
Mike

------Original Message------
From: Ze Sprout <anarchie-AT-buelinckx.net>
To: "Nicolas ." <elgraben-AT-hotmail.com>
Sent: April 30, 2001 8:06:06 AM GMT
Subject: Re: Violence and support directed at Block Block


It sounds all very logical. Many "pacifist" groups are not pacifists at all
but just white middle class people who feel guilty about the third world.
They don't really want to change the system, just make it a teeny weeny
little bikini bit less cruel.

It's like the ATTAC movement which has a lot of succes right now in Europe
among "good meaning" people. At the end it reinforces capitalism instead of
posing a problem to it.

And although i abhorr (this sounds like those bleeding thingies i carry
around) any idolating (like many armchair anarchist do regarding the black
bloc), and although i  get often scared by mass/group actions, in this my
sympathies do go to the black bloc. I just hope they don't get caried away
by the lust of the power-feeling they must have experienced.

Anyway, real pacifists are strong minded people who can make their point
without  playing into the hands of the system.

Erik

At 06:14 +0000 30-04-2001, Nicolas . wrote:
>>I'm skeptical about the SalAMI story. They don't like the use of
>>violence, but I really, really doubt that they'd pepper spray anyone.
>>This sounds like a false rumor.
>
>Nope, sorry, saw it with my own eyes (not that I was there or anything) and
so did a lot of other people.  The SalAMI "pacifists" not only
pepper-sprayed one person, but several people (with SalAMI stickers) were
throwing bottles at people in the black bloc.  Plastic bottles, sure, but
bottles nonetheless.
>
>What I have heard, but do not know whether it is just a rumor or true, is
that some of them took workshops on how to stop property destruction and
"violence."
>
>Nicolas
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