File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2001/anarchy-list.0109, message 130


Date: 14 Sep 2001 23:23:00 +0200
From: ASWAD-AT-anarch.free.de (catkawin)
Subject: Hamburg connection



---- I don't know when this will eventually get out - my server seems to  
have problems; I haven't been able to send/receive anything since  
Wednesday -----

Thursday:

Please don't assume I can tell you much more than what you can pick up at  
CNN - German authorities have ordered an information ban tonight.

Although the first flats were raided the night before already, not even  
all local papers carried articles about this today (I live in Hamburg).

Papers only gave scarce info - e.g. I learned the name of the second  
Hamburg based person from CNN tonight, although papers/TV mentioned  
Mohammed Atta by name.

What papers wrote was that two persons who bought tickets for the two  
flights taking off from Boston had lived in Hamburg until earlier this  
year. Late-late-late TV news yesterday said that the flat was supposed to  
have been empty since February, but today's TV news said and showed that  
an Arab womyn was taken out of the flat by police and is said to be  
questioned.

The flat they lived in was situated in the quarter of Harburg which is  
south of the river Elbe. - Harburg was added to the city of Hamburg in  
1937, it used to be autonomous before, and it is a sort of neglected part  
of the city. There are some posh areas on the outskirts, but the center is  
pretty neglected with a lot of poor people.

One of the measures to do something for Harburg was the opening of a  
technical university, and the two persons were said to have entered  
Germany regularly with student visas and were enrolled at Harburg Tech,  
for electronics (Atta) and shipbuilding resp. Atta was said to have  
finished his studies with a diploma (M.Sc.).

Atta and Al Shahhir were said to have been on the planes hitting both WTC  
towers, and apparently police found a last letter from Atta to his family  
parked at Boston airport.

Local and national news features tonight reported that another person was  
arrested in Hamburg; he is said to be Mohammad B., 60, from Tunisia, and  
it was mentioned he was arrested in his flat in the quarter of Hamm. All  
in all four flats were said to be raided, but nothing else. It seems more  
arrests have been made, but no info available. (State channel late-late  
news just said that two persons have been arrested in Hamburg, and that  
was it. I switched to a private channel who takes over Sky and NBC during  
night hours now and they just said that more flats in Hamburg-Hamm have  
been raided and more arrests are said to have been made in Hamm, but  
Hamburg police does not provide any more info.)


Atta and his friend Al Shahhir seem to have been the two persons who took  
a flight course in Florida. But there is diverging info being reported on  
CNN and German TV stations:

Already yesterday, they interviewed a number of experts on German TV, e.g.  
an airforce general, some person from the pilots' association. They all,  
in contradiction to everything I picked up on CNN, said that the persons  
flying the planes must have definitely known a lot about flying and were  
quite certain and definite that they couldn't have picked up the necessary  
knowledge in a crash course.

Tonight I managed to switch channels in time to pick up another interview  
with an expert, complete with computer animation. He also said that both  
pilots hitting the WTC knew damn well what they were doing and how to do  
it. One thing he said is that they obviously knew *where* to hit the  
buildings to cause maximum damage as both buildings were hit at a point to  
make them instable. He then showed a comp animation of one flight and said  
the way the plane was flown - with a turn very close in front of the tower  
- indicated that the pilot on this plane had a military training as this  
was a usual procedure in airforce flights.

This is in sharp contrast to what I picked up on CNN (and this was in part  
repeated on NBC which we picked up because a German station transmitted  
the NBC reports) which said that it was not that much of a problem to keep  
the plane going once it's in the air, with the flight instructor having  
said that although they were training people on much smaller engines, they  
would have managed to fly the Jumbos from their training. This was more or  
less repeated tonight when CNN reported more from the instructor's  
evidence who said that the two men only wanted to be trained how to change  
course and he wouldn't remember they did anything else during the training  
which was a bit on the unusual side.


Another thing I picked up from German news tonight is that an Iranian  
refugee (whose appeal for asylum here in Germany was turned down and who  
had been taken into deportation custody) earlier this year phoned US  
secret service and meant to inform them about an attack planned for New  
York with planes, but apparently he did not manage to speak to anyone  
important there and seems not to have been taken serious.

catkawin



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