From: "Veruca Nato" <verucanato-AT-politician.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:36:54 +0800
Subject: Re: Elvis


heather love,
being a hearty asshole of a vegan myself, i feel the duty to relay to you a japanese proverb: "If you spit upwards, you will get spit on your face" (translated as, don't piss into the wind).  i can respect your meat eating tendencies, at least you think about the fact that you're eating it and it suffered.  but then again that's why i'm on the anarchy list and not on the vegan list.  any vegan pretentious enough to going a vegan emailer is just going to start a massive flame war with you over that comment.
veruca nato
-----Original Message-----
From: heather <heather-AT-teknopunx.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:08:39 -0000
To: anarchy-list <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Elvis


> 
> I have been following this discourse with delight. Elvis et al inspired me
> to introduce myself to a predominantly vegan list i joined recently, pasted
> below. The first time Ifinished off  the first pheasant I stunned with the
> sump on my mini left me shaking and queesy with the adrenilin rush. After
> that I lived on 2 a week and worried I might have a "blood lust" killing
> seemed so natural. Some years later I got a phonecall from a friend who'd
> just hit a deer and stopped to finish it off rather than leave it to die in
> pain. Dragged it home and sharpened her knives. Reckoned she could do the
> business from a book she'd got but could she use my Raeburn to cook it as
> her oven had blown up to cook us all a meal? Now our Sal was a reknowned
> cook, so my answer was affirmative, the oven would be ready first thing in
> the morning and she could have my house to herself untill i returned home
> from work a tea time, licking my lips with anticipation of a real feast. My
> appitite withered as I arrived home next day. Have you ever smelt cooked
> venison that hadn't been bled first?
> Man, the dogs were all sitting at the bottom of the driveway with "PLEEZ
> don't expect us to help you out this time" looks on their faces
> lol
> H
> :  heather_glaisyer-AT-h...
> Date:  Mon Nov 19, 2001  11:33 pm
> Subject:  the cat lands amongst the pidgeons
> 
> 
> Hello, I'm new here and probably lost. I often find myself in
> entirely the wrong place at the wrong time, please be gentle with me
> if you decide to lead me to the exit and shut the door behind
> me.........
> I'm a meat eating vegetarian. I discern between the consciousness of
> a being lower down the food chain by it's brain size. A mollusc, for
> instance is less capable of suffering as I know it than a chicken. So
> when choosing my food I choose the lowest life forms over higher ones-
> dig?
> Now, I don't know who any of you descended from but my ancestors
> lived in complete harmony with their environment and knew how to
> treat animals. Actually animals were quite revered in our mythology.
> We used to bring them in to our houses in winter.......but i digress,
> yearning wistfully for a return of those times........aaaah.
> We ate em anyway. Would have starved to death in winter otherwise.
> I don't see anyones problem with eating road kills either. I've put
> deer out of their misery when fatally injured on a road and not
> wasted a single piece. Venison is yummy. in fact, most animals that
> have been happy and had a quick death are yummy. Even old goat,
> stewed expertly, can be yummy (I know, I've eaten it).
> How many vegans here can live off the land for years without starving
> to death?-have any of you been self sufficiently fed by the fruits of
> your own skill and labour, sustainably?
> You may now show me the door, if you wish-I did say i was probably in
> the wrong place-am I lost? Or just a lost cause waiting to be
> converted to veganism to save my sorry soul?
> Heather
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <threejaguar-AT-yahoo.com>
> To: <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Elvis
> 
> 
> > On 20 Nov 01, at 14:26, danceswithcarp wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ]On Behalf Of threejaguar-AT-yahoo.com
> > >
> > > > It is a damned good question. Does initiating the use of force
> > > > against a non-sentient animal constitute violence? My gut reaction
> > > > is no.
> > >
> > > Then I have to ask, have you ever put a 3-inch 12-gauge magnum slug into
> a
> > > deer, blood-trailed the thing through the woods, and then field-gutted
> the
> > > carcass on a frosty morn when the steam roils off of the guts and the
> > > blood feels hot on your hands?  I always thought that was violence when
> I
> > > was throwing up.  I guess I was confused.
> > >
> >
> > Hmmm. My reaction was one of a bit of a let down, and some
> > apprehension at the amount of work ahead. It was a big buck and a
> > very long uphill drag. Boulders, cheatgrass, and sagebrush. It was
> > pitch black before I got that gutted carcass to the nearest gravel
> > road...
> >
> > Oh well. My father had the same reaction you did, and swore off
> > hunting after his first bowhunt. I take after grampa. Now *that* was
> > one violent son-of-a-bitch....
> >
> > > And I am very much aware of the violence that goes into commercial meat,
> > > thank you.  I figure I've paid a lot of dues over the years a with
> hunting
> > > and fishing, so I can live with myself.   The new free-range hog is
> > > medicine and hormone free.  I won't feel bad just because I'm paying
> > > someone to off him.
> >
> > Ok then, I'll stop the preaching already....
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kristopher K. Barrett
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
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> 
> 

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