Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 00:00:15 -0400
From: shawn wilbur <swilbur-AT-wcnet.org>
Subject: Re: palestinian anarchy (was carp's need for attention)



Maldoror wrote:

> i don't know anyone on this list,

That's obvious. If you did, you probably wouldn't be
referring to carp as "this guy." Why don't you spend
some time in the archives, or just sit back and learn the
ropes, before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

> therefore i have no
> reason to be rude to anyone and this guy launched an
> all out assault on me

No. An all-out assault would be a very different matter.

> because i made a mistake. there
> is no call for that at all. it's like somebody new
> walks into a room and some guy just walks up to you
> and throws wine on you because trippedon the rug. is
> that any way to treat someone, let alone some one you
> don't know?

You seem to think that you can walk into any room and
determine what is called for. Wouldn't that be nice - but
that isn't the way things work, is it. For better or worse,
you've wandered into what is generally a tough room.
Many of us took our pratfalls on the way in. We lived.
Silly moralizing about how things should be won't change
the way this list has functioned for a long time. You'll
either find it works for you or it doesn't. Right now,
however, you're the one who doesn't understand what's
what.

> i refuse to let some guy continue to spit on me and
> make assinine generalizations about me

A fine stand for someone who has engaged in stupid
pop psychology as a first line of defense. (check your
subject line and then every one of your posts since
this started. Folks who tell other folks *why* they
behave as they do always seem to like authoritarians
to me.

> ('oh you must
> wear brand name clothes')and subjects (palestine) he
> obviously has no idea about.

You haven't given us any better info on Palestine. What
is *obvious* is that carp has *some* idea about the
matter, since he has objected to specific elements of the
intifada. Apparently, you think it's the wrong idea. So
enlighten us, if you want to make an issue of it.

> if that's being uptight
> so be it. i have no problems with any of the rest of
> you at all.

But you don't know the rest of us either...

> but i don't know why everyone is telling me to chill
> out when this guy continues to assault me. is he some
> sort of anarchy god on the list that has some divine
> right to walk all over any new person who makes a
> mistake?

No gods and no masters here, but you've walked into a
room with over ten years of history. This is not, as you
noticed, a list like post-colonial, where the talk is largely
academic. If you want to carry on about how things
should be without figuring out how things are, then the
"problem" is clearly yours.

> if so, i don't think the problem is with me
> and a dumb mistake.

The dumb mistake is old news. Cluelessness about your
surroundings is the ongoing problem.

> i'll drop this when this guy does, but he seems to not
> be in the mood to stop anytime soon. until then
> list-members can blame him as he chose to bring it
> on-list as is evidenced by the email he posted of our
> dialogue.

gr3g, we'll blame who we choose, and you'll either
learn to live with our choices or not. All these
associations are strictly voluntary, so you have the
choice to take what's here or leave. Some of us like
it here a lot.

If you try to keep up with carp, he'll only stop when
you bore him. And i doubt you'll gain many points
elsewhere.

FWIW,

-shawn
 www.libertatia-labs.org

> gr3g
>