Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:45:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Maldoror <insektus-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: malodorous unveils his truth for palestine


> The "palestinian ppl" are a myth created by the
> anti-zionists. 
>There is no
> palestinian 
> "homeland."   

all ppls are a myth. benedict anderson has a book that
talks about how nationalisms are created through the
use of the newspapers which create communities out of
the circulation areas whose ppl then read common
events from a common perspective, and pretty soon
nations are born from the commonality.

create a flag, create a god, get enough ppl to believe
in them and before long there's a community centered
around the totem. as it gets larger the number of ppl
get larger and pretty soon certain customs etc begin
to define that ppl.

all bickering aside though (if that's even possible
now) back to the palestinians though there is plenty
of literature that talks about the history of the area
and the ppl of palestine, which was the only colony
left by the british that was not given statehood but
instead given to the jews after ww2 because britain
and the US felt bad aboutthe holocaust. however
zionists had the idea of creating israel long before
their gift was bestowed and this is well documented by
arab and jewish academics alike. chomsky has talked
about this in books and articles as has edward said.

if anything israel was more of a myth and longing for
the history of a mere 72 yrs that occured over a
millenium ago, when david supposedly defeated the
canaanites. however after those yrs passed arabs
filtered into the land and were there for nearly 1500
yrs prior to the british and french colonization and
later israeli colonization. ifyou want to keep this
going i can send you info that verifies this and was
compiled by jewish scholars. there's endless
information that testifies to this fact and if you
notice the only real info to dispute it comes after
1948.

> Most of the people who desire to
> 'return" to the alleged land 
> of "palestine" have never been there

it couldn't possibly be because they were forced out
could it? 


> You want everyone to choose sides;
> one repressor for 
> another. 

it's not so much choosing sides as it is looking at
the reasons for things instead of looking at the
effects.

i mean the death toll is nearly 3 palestinians to
every one israeli and palestinians are painted as
monsters (i'm not saying you are doing the painting
here). there's a considerable discrepancy in defense
while israel creates the image of suffering. the
suffering is considerably disproportionate, but yes
suffering still the same. 

> I'm just not sure they
> hate israel for the 
> right reasons.  

which would be what out of curiosity?


> Mostly the whole "return to
> palestine" movement came about 
> AFTER israel developed the place.   

that's pretty obvious considering it was israel who
kicked them out.

> I'd have been
> more impressed if they'd 
> go after Jordan too. 

some did and jordan butchered many of them.

> So you own home-grown fascists can take over?  

1. how am i a fascist? 2.why would i want to take over
anywhere?

i'm not for country at all, ideally. i'm for ppl being
allowed to live where they want to without fear of
being oppressed by brutal dictatorships (ie country).
the world would be a much better place with no borders
with ppl allowed to move freely from one place to
another. i've said that for years, but the fact of the
matter is we live in a world that chooses borders so
with that in mind why shouldn't the palestinians be
allowed to have a state?

> You fail to
> address the nationalistic 
> implications of the intifada.  

there are very nationalistic tendencies which are
dangerous. i never said there weren't but given
there's millenia of history of arabs living there why
should israel have it when they can lay claim to
roughly 72 yrs over a millenia ago.

nationalism is always dangerous as it creates
competition and resentments between ppls and nations.
lookat the US with its 'we're better than the rest of
the world and deserve to rule it' attitude which leads
many to despise immigrants and ppl from other
countries.

ideally the world would have no borders but
realistically i see no way that could ever happen
though i'd love to hear some ideas on how the borders
could begin to fracture and disappear.

> You fail to address
> how this even remotely 
> belongs on the anarchy-list.

food for thought? :)

> Here's A Big Prank for you to pull:  Islamic
> Feminist Movement.   Let the 
> mullahs get hold of that.

naerly, if not, all religions are patriarchal. i never
defended islam or any religion on grounds of
male-female equality. 

gr3g

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'every government is a dictatorship. every leader, a tyrant.'   -anonymous 


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