Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:06:57 -0500 (EST)
From: danceswithcarp <dcombs-AT-bloomington.in.us>
Subject: Re: nomadology


On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Dave Coull wrote:

> >> there's a book by one of the Bey people
> >> out of the moorish temple (maybe Hakim?)
> >> about dropping out of society.
>
> Dropping out of society is an illusion.
> Those who operate under the delusion
> that it is possible to drop out of society
> are often rudely disabused of their illusion
> when it turns out that, no matter how
> much they ignore it, society still affects
> their lives.

Man, Dave; your pronouncements are becoming more and more authoritative
and less and less flexible.  First you condemn kepley's ability to write
porn without ever having read it and now you up and announce a person
can't drop out of society: Period. While this _might_ be true in an
absolute context, very few people ever really use the term "dropping out"
in a purely literal sense.  So on one hand, yes, somewhere a person will
probably have to deal with *a* social order but it is also possible that
the contacts with the social order might not necessarily be with the
predominate one--the one they dropped out of.

The Ishmaelites of the U$ are a good example; they fled the colonies
individually and in small groups and coalesced on the western side of the
appalachian mountains into a true alternative social order.

Can this be done now?  I don't know.  But I saw where Indonesia has 17,000
islands and islets so there is a chance.  Of course if one desires any of
the little baubles and trinkets of current socieites then there is a cord
of connection, but this cord can be minimized.  It just depends on whether
a person has the true desire to minimize this connection.

> As for Hakim Bey, he is a fraud and a charlatan.

Broaden your horizons: Bey and Hakim are very common names in the moorish
temple; I really think the one I'm referencing isn't the one you are.

But since you brought it up, how do you deduce Bey is a "fraud and
charlatan?"  In the literal sense, of course.



carp